[SAC] Common Problems [Archive] - MovieBattles Community

Deathspike

12-10-2009, 21:47

What should you do before running Simple Anti-Cheat (SAC)? First you must validate your security systems (such as a firewall or a virus scanner) and make sure they allow the game with the system to start and connect to the internet. A second important point is to disable compatibility mode for the game client. This is due some of the changed made by using this mode which are falsely identified as illegal modifications. The third and last major point is rather simple, make sure you have the original game binary (fully up to date). You can simply run DVersion.exe to verify your game client (it will give an error message if your game executable is an illegal one) and have the client system updated as well. It is recommended to do this before your first launch.

What software could cause a conflict with Simple Anti-Cheat (SAC)? Any piece of software that does not directly interfere with your game client will give no conflicts. However some of the more common pieces of software do interfere with the game client, such as a firewall. Because it needs to intercept connections made to the internet/network, it has no choice but to interfere with the game client. While this is by default allowed, software such as Comodo Firewall is much more invasive and is hard to exclude from the detection algorithm (Please note you must uninstall Comodo Firewall, disabling it doesn't do the trick). Other invasive software is also not supported, the major exceptions being Steam and Xfire. Common unsupported software includes Ultra Utility and Fraps.

Sometimes I randomly get kicked after playing for hours! Yes, this can happen and is indeed very annoying for you as the player. There is basically a single thing you should do to prevent this from happening. Make sure your network connection is stable and constantly connected to the internet. If you use bandwidth intensive programs such as P2P clients you will strain your network connection and possibly leave not enough bandwidth for Simple Anti-Cheat (SAC) to work with. When this happens, you will get kicked by the game server.

Place me in your game and verify you have an original executeable! When you get this and you have properly placed DVersion.exe in GameData, it means you are using an altered jamp.exe (for instance a no-cd crack). This is not allowed and you must restore the original binary. If you don’t have it anymore, you can download the Game binary package from the downloads page.

Source @ http://sac-project.co.cc/faq/

´Ami,

12-10-2009, 22:08

Good and now just write a readme how to use your program and everything should be fine.

Supa

12-10-2009, 22:11

It isn't hard.. You put it in, and you run MBII.

JJDunn

12-10-2009, 22:17

For me, it's probably not working right cos of Steam. If so, I'll just get academy through torrents. Done that before, never had a problem till now :/

´Ami,

12-10-2009, 22:20

Supa

12-10-2009, 22:27

DLoader is used when you can't get ingame with just the jamp.exe I think, or that's how it was before.

Deathspike

12-10-2009, 22:28

DLoader is for Linux users. Windows users will automatically load SAC (or they should).

Tardismania

12-10-2009, 22:28

So I can forget the dloader.exe? I have just added the dversion.exe shortcut in my start menu to get the updates. I have absolutly no clue how it works and which servers have anti-cheat protection enabled but OK if it is such an easy job, the readme.txt is fine gg.

The latest update should be the FPS issue, theres something wrong with the SAC icons but the only server i know with SAC enabled is.

€€€€€€€€€CF #2 [rc3 p4] : 78.143.19.189:7007 (fully working, thank gargos :D) to bad i cant join still...

·sev·

12-10-2009, 22:31

Copy paste ftw

Threepwood

12-10-2009, 22:32

Hmm? DVersion says "Place me in your game and verify you have an original executable!" while I already have the client fully updated.

Tardismania

12-10-2009, 22:33

Copy paste ftw
me? lol

Deathspike

12-10-2009, 22:36

Your binary isn't official (NO-CD or something). Get the original at http://master.moviebattles.com/SACJAMP.zip (only for non-steam).

Threepwood

12-10-2009, 22:45

Yeaaah, seems to be updating okay now.

Lucariolix

12-10-2009, 23:11

now hold on theres already something called jamp is it ok to replace it?

Requiem

12-10-2009, 23:14

Works for me now. All I had to do was disable compatibility. I forgive you Vortex. For now...:eek:

Il Duce(Nik)

12-10-2009, 23:18

lol, so I guess you just drew an end to playing mb2 for me lol

JJDunn

12-10-2009, 23:28

us Steam users have to suffer I guess xD can only run JA without Steam using that jamp.exe up there. Game runs fine though, I just get booted after a few seconds.

Baxus

12-10-2009, 23:32

By compatibility does that include disabling desktop composition?

Torrentazos

12-10-2009, 23:34

There was a steam user on the cf server, and he said his steam was working fine, he wasnt being kicked either. Try updated your sac client manually?

Gargos

12-10-2009, 23:37

Baxus

12-10-2009, 23:38

I keep getting kicked myself, I couldn't guess why. However, it does say my theme has been changed to vista basic when I launch my JKA.

Torrentazos

12-10-2009, 23:39

i played hours and everything was fine except i just got randomly kicked by sac so my problem is exactly this one ''Sometimes I randomly get kicked after playing for hours!''

its a shame, otherwise it works perfectly, my fps is still the same 100 with the full graphics and sac didnt seem to react to any replacement that i had (ive got a lot)

Some of us are just lucky tbh, because im the same as you.

So many people just cant get authorised though... The servers with SAC are dead, and those without it are full.

Alphá«.Cf

12-10-2009, 23:40

I keep getting kicked after about 20 seconds :( Dunno why.

Lucariolix

12-10-2009, 23:54

now hold on theres already something called jamp is it ok to replace it?

answere plz

Yzmo

12-10-2009, 23:56

Yes, but take a backup first in case something goes wrong.

JJDunn

12-10-2009, 23:58

make a backup of that jamp.exe

wait, how do you update the SAC manually? I tried that DVersion and it said "put me in the game" stuff as said in this topic somewhere. BUT I did try that jamp.exe for non-Steam users, even though I shouldnt. SAC was somewhat updating, and overwrit a file. The original was over 200kb, forgot the name, and the "updated" file was 177kb or lower. Still had the same problem

Yzmo

12-10-2009, 23:59

Run DVersion.exe to update manually.

JJDunn

13-10-2009, 00:03

http://i38.tinypic.com/rlhnau.jpg

xD

(internet is working fine btw, ignore that x on the internet status..)

also, after getting that fix that shows you servers that are SAC and not, there's only about 2-3 that use it xD

Lucariolix

13-10-2009, 01:58

i think an easier thing to do is have all servers remove sac intill we all know how it works

antiflag

13-10-2009, 03:39

SAC works fine for me (Win7 Ultimate RTM 64bit).
I was kicked once, dunno why, wasn't able to reproduce.
All of my replacements work.

Deathspike

13-10-2009, 09:07

Added the following. Should help some of you out.

Place me in your game and verify you have an original executeable! When you get this and you have properly placed DVersion.exe in GameData, it means you are using an altered jamp.exe (for instance a no-cd crack). This is not allowed and you must restore the original binary. If you don't have it anymore, you can download it from either of these locations: Mirror #1 (http://master.moviebattles.com/SACJAMP.zip) Mirror #2 (http://www.jkgalaxies.com/sac-project/SACJAMP.zip).

Hexodious

13-10-2009, 10:30

I have a few issues, firstly my ping has tripled, from 15-30 to 100-120 on a Euro server (this is pretty much like playing a USA server for me). And secondly, my fps has halved from 25-30 to 10-15.

The ping issue is directly JKA related. I played another Q3 Engine Game - Soldier of Fortune 2 and it worked fine with pings of 15-30 on most servers.

So I am a bit confuzzled.

GogettO

13-10-2009, 10:44

I got the same ping problem as you :p

WarPanda

13-10-2009, 11:16

I have a little problem as well. Usually, I start MB2 via the little "Play_MBII" shortcut that immediately launches the MB2 mod, skipping over the jamp bull****. The problem occurs when I join SAC-enabled servers. It tells me that I don't have SAC at all.

The weird thing is that it works well when I start jamp.exe and load up MBII.

Is there a way to sort it out so that SAC works with the Play_MBII shortcut? It'd be more convenient, won't skip a few of my replacements, and won't mess up my config like loading it from jamp.exe does.

Running Vista Ultimate 32 bits, no compatibility modes on the jamp.exe, and the SAC files are placed in my Gamedata folder.

Hexodious

13-10-2009, 11:43

1. Make a shortcut to DLoader.exe
2. Right click the shortcut -> Properties
3. In the target field, type the following:

"C:\yourpathtothegame\GameData\DLoader.exe" +set fs_game "MBII"

4. Running the shortcut should run MBII straight away!

- Thanks Lerv :)

Deathspike

13-10-2009, 11:48

The increased bandwidth usage caused by SAC should be minimal and shouldn't be noteable at all. It actually adds 0.4 bytes/second, which is much less then even a single client snapshot. Are you sure your ping issues are related to the SAC system (i.e. you have normal ping when joining non-SAC servers)?

Play_MBII bat should work fine. Contents of it should be similar to this:
jamp.exe +set fs_game MBII

EDIT: Or read above :p

Hexodious

13-10-2009, 11:59

Yeah Deathspike its defo related solely on MB since I installed SAC and the new patch. I'll double check tonight whether its only on SAC Enabled Servers or not and post here.

UrálÐu

13-10-2009, 13:55

I keep getting kicked after about 20 seconds :( Dunno why.

same :|

Lantern

13-10-2009, 14:11

Im still screwed, I have done everything that's been said. Everything is in the right folder. I have a legit jamp.exe, not running it in compatibility mode. I updated with DVersion just fine. I have the AC Menu Fix. I have turned off my firewall and anti-virus. I have loaded the game every which way. Loading the game normally i get the message that says I need SAC to play on this server. When I run the game with Dloader; I get in and then disconnect within 30 secs.

Edit:
Im running
Vista 64
6gigs Ram
ATI 4870 X2
Core i7 2.67GHz
AVG Anti-Virus
Comodo Firewall
Spybot Search & Destroy

Avenger

13-10-2009, 15:37

I tried everything aswell. I keep getting the annoying 20 seconds "NO YOU WONT PLAY HERE" moment all the time, too.

Deathspike

13-10-2009, 15:45

Turning off Comodo Firewall does *not* prevent it from editing the game memory. You'll really have to un-install this one to resolve the issues it gives (or find some kind of magic switch to prevent it from injecting itself into jamp). This is the major pain in the ass application, but is listed in the FAQ as non supported.

I would recommend ZoneAlarm or Windows Firewall (Win7)

Hawk

13-10-2009, 15:56

Comodo is a shady company...

You should use an alternative, there are plenty of other good free firewalls(Zonealarm, the Windows Vista/7 firewall is good, Outpost Firewall, etc)

Lantern

13-10-2009, 16:01

Ok i uninstalled it, i still got the error.

Deathspike

13-10-2009, 16:26

Please run DVersion.exe and update to the latest version. It will now give an error number when you get kicked, post that here. The master server keeps track of authentications and I just noticed many reports of outdated clients. Please be sure to run DVersion.exe if you have issues, so you'll get the latest update before going ingame (if everything is fine, don't bother :p)

Avenger

13-10-2009, 16:30

Hey people. I managed to find the error, kinda funny though. I havent expected that at least :)

It was my Ultra Utility (UU). When I turned it off and joined through the MB2.bat everything worked fine and I was able to play 40 min, had to leave then.

So if you have stuff like Killtrackers, any version of the UU or something like that you might want to turn it off and try again if you get kicked after about 20 seconds.

qwerty

13-10-2009, 16:50

I did absolutely everything I could have done (clean install, didn't crack, no UUs or minimizers, firewall off, xfire off) and it still kicks me after 30 seconds in-game.

Deathspike

13-10-2009, 17:09

Update Update, turns out Fraps is causing trouble! Disable fraps before going into a SAC server :)
Note, if you have Comodo Firewall, disabling it doesn't work. It must be uninstalled.

Yzmo

13-10-2009, 17:34

Incase noone has said this before.. You don't need any NoCD crack, it's included with SAC.

Alphá«.Cf

13-10-2009, 17:34

nvm, think it works

Lervish

13-10-2009, 17:37

Some people have had problems with McAfee anti-virus. It quarantines some of the SAC files immediately after extracting them and doesn't let you see them at all. I even heard it censors the .zip file itself and hides the files from there too. :p This might make some people think they have all the files when in fact they don't.

Lantern

13-10-2009, 17:37

Still not working. I didnt get an error number btw. It still says "Did not successfully authorize SAC"

EDIT: Got a error code

Detected Simple Anti-Cheat Violation (1024)

EDIT again:

I got that error code once, eveytime now its just a disconnect with the error "Did not successfully authorize SAC"

Lamb3rt

13-10-2009, 17:50

This ***** SAC isn't so simple -.- Just fu**ing up players...

Dark_Doctor

13-10-2009, 18:21

got the same "did not successfully authorize" ****...... this is annoying -.-

Torrentazos

13-10-2009, 18:29

There are more players that SAC works fine with, than those who get kicked out.

There's gonna be a reason as to why its kicking you, read through all the pages of this thread carefully, alot of suggestions have been made.

Posting to say "This **** is pointless, there were no hackers in previous patch, i hate this blah blah blah" is not helping anyone, so post information about your system and then let those who know the system, help you.

Dark_Doctor

13-10-2009, 19:07

okok u told us something like error codes. i guess i got one:
copied out of the console:
------------------------------------------------
dark doct0r did not successfully authorize (SAC)!
Shutting down OpenGL subsystem
Detected Simple Anti-Cheat Violation (1024)
------------------------------------------------
i use hlsw to connect to the server

Nichilus

13-10-2009, 19:14

I am having the exact same problem with getting kicked due to SAC not authorizing me...

I have Win XP SP 3, my firewall is the window's basic one - I made there the exception for Dversion and Dloader.
I also have NOD32 Antivirus and I made there an exception for Dv and Dl too (though I am not sure if I did it right).

I deleted every replacement, even my "additions" folder (that's not in my GameData folder etc.), that had all replacements and maps in it's .zip files. The only file I am not sure about if it was part of some replacement or it is part of patch, that is fixing something, is the "z_MGMJPFix.pk3" file.

I ran Dversion and saw that I have correct version.

I am getting kicked due to SAC not authorizing me, although the one kick before the last one was because SAC found a violation of some number (sorry, forgot to write the number somewhere. It started with number 10 and then there were a few more numbers xD). It completely shut my game down.
But the last one was - as I already said - due unsuccessful authorization.
So I suppose that was some SAC problem, not the client one :)

As a last thing, I quite don't get the
A second important point is to disable compatibility mode for the game client. This is due some of the changed made by using this mode which are falsely identified as illegal modifications.
- sorry, I am quite idiot in this matters, so if someone could explain what this is and what should I check out and tell me how it should be correctly done, I would be very happy xD

I hope someone can help me find the problem or else I won't be able to play on CF servers ever again :confused:

Edit: The violation type was same as Dark Doctor's (1024)

Hawk

13-10-2009, 19:30

My clanmate has nod32, and kept getting errors until he turned it off.

Torrentazos

13-10-2009, 19:32

Right click your shortcut (i think?) -> Properties -> Compatibility

Hawk

13-10-2009, 19:33

This ***** SAC isn't so simple -.- Just fu**ing up players...

Well **** the same **** happened when the first ****** anticheat came out back in ******* RC1 -.-

It's called it's a ******* new system and until everyone gets used to it and stops ******* complaining and the ******* bumps are smoothed out it will be one ******* good system. So if that's all the **** you ******* came to say, don't waste your ******* energy on an ******* post.

Nichilus

13-10-2009, 20:09

WoW, a brain-teaser, I always loved them... now, which one is it in that word... y or i ?? hmmm....

Anyway Hawk, didn't that friend of yours told you if he switched off all of the protections or if he completely shut down NOD?

'cause I switched all protections off (= resident protection of file system, document protection, postal client protection and Web access protection - or I hope it's called somehow like that). But if he completely shut it down, I dunno how to do that - there is no option to shut it down completely...

Also, when I switched all protections off, I still got kicked due to the authorization.

commander_cody

13-10-2009, 20:16

Hello I got problems too. I closed My antyvirus program, minimizer, I reinstalled MB II I don't know that else I can do... My computer allows MB to use internet so there should not be a problem. It is still kicking me. Please help me If you can. Will reinstall Jedi Academy and MB II help ?

Lamb3rt

13-10-2009, 21:17

So:

Antivir: Avast
OS: Win XP SP2
Firewall: Build-in Windows

I don't use any KT/UU/other programs/unofficial launcher.

After ~1 minute ingame i got message about not authenticated by SAC.
On servers without SAC all is right, I can play without problems.

bernie|*

13-10-2009, 21:47

Ice_Dragon

13-10-2009, 21:51

I opened xFire about 1/2 way through my game this afternoon. Prior to that I'd had no issues. However, after xFire I was kicked about 10 seconds after connection. Perhaps this is an issue?

Oh, I'm on Vista SP1, McAfee (Virus turned off as it deletes the SAC files :/), McAfee Firewall.
Fixing McAfee deleting files would be good too.

Torrentazos

13-10-2009, 21:53

i keep getting an error that tells me a new update is available but an internal error occured when i run DVersion.exe.

also, i realized that avast didnt let one of the files, DSAC.exe, extract because it detected it as a trojan. that could be why people are having problems

Well, just pause the avast providers and try to update, if it works then you have your answer.

I use avast and it didnt detect anything on mine lol, and also DSAC is a dll file, not an executable ;)

bernie|*

13-10-2009, 21:56

yea... course i knew that

nd it still doesnt work. i realized that avast steathily removes DSAC.dll from my gamedata folder. doesnt tell me anything. anyway to prevent that?

Zyko

13-10-2009, 23:30

Nigger ****. I lost my disk and now I'm like a nigger in a KFC when there is no chicken.

Hawk

14-10-2009, 00:30

yea... course i knew that

nd it still doesnt work. i realized that avast steathily removes DSAC.dll from my gamedata folder. doesnt tell me anything. anyway to prevent that?

Go into the avast options and tell it not to automatically quarantine files.

Ancient Padawan

14-10-2009, 13:30

Hello i have a one small problem.After i click on DVersion i'm getting error'' A new update is available but could not be retrieved''. I dont know what i should do.

GogettO

14-10-2009, 15:55

Hello i have a one small problem.After i click on DVersion i'm getting error'' A new update is available but could not be retrieved''. I dont know what i should do.

I got the same.

As most o people, I'm getting kicked from server after 20s, or game crashing to the windows.

Antivirus- nod32
Firewall- Windows one
OS- Windows Vista SP2
What happened - kicks/crashing game after 20s

:C

Basic

14-10-2009, 16:21

Getting the same error now saying that update couln't be retrived.
But I just started getting this error today :/

Acrome'

14-10-2009, 16:34

Seriously this SAC is a damn bug itself -.-

Yesterday I made it run like 10 rounds on SAC serv, then got kciked and every rejoin got kicked after 20 secs, Today it says I dont even have SAC installed. My Sac download only included 3 Files?! Is that all? Cause I can't download the http package becuase there seems to be a virus into and my anti virus prog doesnt lemme look at the site..

Vista 64mbit
G-data anti virus
-only xfire and jka minimizer

Any suggestions? :/

Nichilus

14-10-2009, 17:44

The SAC client includes Dloader, Dversion, DSAC.dll, DSound.dll and DUpdate.dll

The "!WARNING VIRUS!"-one is probably the dsac.dll, since when I unzipped them all, only this one was registered as virus (found this out by deleting the infected file).

As for Supa, I uninstalled NOD and installed the trial version of Avast to see if that was the problem... no it wasn't, I am still getting kicked for bad authorization - I already made the dloader and the rest as exceptions, but nothing :confused:

As for the "SAC detected violation (1024)" - this is done by your replacements. Just get rid of them (this helped me).

GogettO

14-10-2009, 17:51

Ok, I solved the problem (i think so) by manually downloadig that DSAC.dll file, no kicks and I was around 10min ingame. But still i got higher ping (20-30ms!) than usual :/

bernie|*

14-10-2009, 17:51

Go into the avast options and tell it not to automatically quarantine files.

tried that, but the file keeps disappearing.. it doesnt even show up in the virus chest. and now when i connect, it says that i dont have sac installed, nd i cant update to the latest version cuz dversion doesnt work.

Acrome'

14-10-2009, 17:57

I cant donwload the whole file.. can some1 upload it somewhere else? =/

Basic

14-10-2009, 18:03

Ok, I solved the problem (i think so) by manually downloadig that DSAC.dll file, no kicks and I was around 10min ingame. But still i got higher ping (20-30ms!) than usual :/

What do you mean with manually downloading DSAC.ddl file?

GogettO

14-10-2009, 18:11

Idk what antivir prog. you have but I'm using nod32. I just opened it, clicked on Tools -> Quarantine -> RMB on DSAC.dll -> Restore to... and I saved it on my hdd.

Nichilus

14-10-2009, 18:20

tried that, but the file keeps disappearing.. it doesnt even show up in the virus chest. and now when i connect, it says that i dont have sac installed, nd i cant update to the latest version cuz dversion doesnt work.
When you open your Avast setup and then you click on the "confirmation" panel (or something in that meaning - I have it in different language), do you have all the boxes there checked?

I would recommend you to look through the whole setup of Avast to see if you don't have there checked something that might trigger the automatic deletion of those files.

Remice

14-10-2009, 18:22

This seems to be more trouble than its worth.

Nichilus

14-10-2009, 18:24

This seems to be more trouble than its worth.
Ofc it is pretty big trouble, but it might help the game a lot, so (since this is just RC), we should try to find it's errors so deathspike can get rid of them :)

F0rt1_S3v3N

14-10-2009, 18:24

I really think that this SAC system is a big fail ! We can't play because of this anti-cheat system ! It should be integrated in MB2, and maybe the problem will be resolved.

Basic

14-10-2009, 18:30

I agree with seven.
I know SAC is needed and it will make mb2 better.
But its really causing a lot of problems, and it should have been released intedrated in mb2, or not released at all, at least for now.

bernie|*

14-10-2009, 19:26

When you open your Avast setup and then you click on the "confirmation" panel (or something in that meaning - I have it in different language), do you have all the boxes there checked?

I would recommend you to look through the whole setup of Avast to see if you don't have there checked something that might trigger the automatic deletion of those files.

yea i did that, but theres no option that fixes it, unless i missed something

Hawk

14-10-2009, 19:52

Any new system has plenty of bugs, they will be fixed as time goes along.

F0rt1_S3v3N

14-10-2009, 20:03

I think that since there is no fixes for those bugs, all servers should delete the SAC system.

Basic

14-10-2009, 20:06

You do have a point, but since SAC is out I think we better try and fix it rather than erase it.

F0rt1_S3v3N

14-10-2009, 20:14

Yeah, you are right but for the moment, only for the moment, it should be deleted from the servers and make a better SAC.

Sorry if my english is really gay ^^

qwerty

14-10-2009, 21:10

Any new system has plenty of bugs, they will be fixed as time goes along.

I always thought that was the point of having beta tests and beta testers :rolleyes:

Hawk

14-10-2009, 21:13

He had beta testers: the MB beta team, which as you know, never seems to catch anything :P

F0rt1_S3v3N

14-10-2009, 21:24

And was the beta succesful ? ^^

AceVentura

14-10-2009, 21:40

Are you trying to compare a test of 30 people with a test of 300 or more people?

Alphá«.Cf

14-10-2009, 21:52

I can see the need for this somewhat but its not exactly going to be nice for anyone who decides to try out the mod and cant play because they have their antivirus switched on or something stupid...

Sxx

14-10-2009, 21:52

He had beta testers: the MB beta team, which as you know, never seems to catch anything :P
Maybe because we read the instruction, and we're not morons =p.
Also, some of the antivirus / firewalls give problems. Do you expect that the Beta team manages to test all of the software there is with the SAC? :/

Hawk

14-10-2009, 23:33

Wasn't criticizing you, I was just poking fun, since the usual tagline for huge bugs is "it never showed up in beta" :p

cloudstrife

14-10-2009, 23:36

My view on the matter:

Onyl moviebattles official beta server shouldve been given the SAC serverside code and client for us. Lots of bugs would get solved without so much drama.

Torrentazos

15-10-2009, 13:06

My view on the matter:

Onyl moviebattles official beta server shouldve been given the SAC serverside code and client for us. Lots of bugs would get solved without so much drama.

If this happened, then people who had the bugs would deliberately stay away from said server; resulting in no improvement whatsoever.

GoodOlBen

15-10-2009, 13:13

It just means people will have to play on SACless servers when they can't make it run otherwise.

Hawk

15-10-2009, 17:19

Well there are plenty of those to go around atm

Puppets

15-10-2009, 20:08

As for the "SAC detected violation (1024)" - this is done by your replacements. Just get rid of them (this helped me).

what are those replacements? what files to delete?

Torrentazos

15-10-2009, 20:19

I seriously have like 50 replacements in total, replacing models, weapons, sounds etc.

I am able to play fine without said error. So either that statement is false, or there are certain replacements that are not compatible, which I thankfully don't have.

Josherz

15-10-2009, 21:00