Windows 7...

[xmarsbarsx]

So yeah... I was able to get a copy of the Windows 7 beta. (Yes legally, I have access to the MSDN files)

It is uncracked
However...

It gives me the illegal activity 2 code... (Administration / Compatibility for XP SP2)

I was hoping there could be a quick fix for this?

[Deathspike]

I don't see it on MSDN Academic Partnership Program?

[xmarsbarsx]

huh? thats weird, thats where i got it from? i just saw it today and thought id give it a try

[Chewbacca]

The only way people have currently been able to legally obtain the beta is by going to specific microsoft hosted events and receiving a DVD. If you downloaded it, you downloaded a cracked version.

[xmarsbarsx]

well that would explain why i was getting exception 2, the site had msdn in it... well this is supprising, i switched back to Vista right after i realised MBII doesnt play on it

[xmarsbarsx]

sorry for double post...

but as soon as the Windows 7 beta comes out, do you think someone could figure out why the anti-cheat doesnt respond to Windows 7?

IT would be well appriciated =) because from what ive seen Windows 7 looks REALLY good and really promising

[Deathspike]

I'd have to install the beta. Assuming you can dual boot it with no problems I wouldn't mind doing so (or use a VM of it).

[xmarsbarsx]

yeah u can dual boot as far as i know.

thanks vortex! The beta should be out either January 4th or before January 12th

The leaked beta is usable without any cracks, u dont need a product key either, it asks u but u can skip it, it activates anyway. Its just the beta expires sometimes in July.

But anyway, hopefully it isnt something difficult to fix!

[Supa]

Guess that's my next step. I wonder how much it'll cost. Rofl. A current copy of Vista Ultimate 64x (full copy, not upgrade from 32 bit) is about 400 dollars.

[xmarsbarsx]

thats why OEMS are ideal Supa.

an OEM of Vista Ultimate is 180$

As of now id be more than willing to purchace Windows 7 as an OEM

An OEM of Windows 7 probably will cost around 200 when its launched and will probably be around 170 or 180 after a couple of months after its released.

Windows 7 is a REALLY big improvement, i was extremly impressed by it, Im going to reinstall it as a fresh install when the official beta comes out

[Velcius]

I just got to my University store and buy Vista or XP (I bought XP lol) for 20 bucks. ,!,,

[Hawk]

Guess that's my next step. I wonder how much it'll cost. Rofl. A current copy of Vista Ultimate 64x (full copy, not upgrade from 32 bit) is about 400 dollars.

You can get OEM versions from Newegg for $180.

I always use OEM on my computer builds, never huge overpriced retail.

[Subaru]

How would one get access to the beta once it comes out?

[Deathspike]

How would one get access to the beta once it comes out?

I think MSDNA?

[selman_akinci]

SO Windows 7 has been released for testing;

January 9th PST for a limited time to the first 2.5 million people who download the beta
Expires August 1, 2009

x86 version - 32 Bit
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.iso

x64 version - 64 Bit
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO

You also NEED to get the MP3 corruption patch for some fixes found below
32 bit MP3 Patch -http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a754008b-d574-4e39-b4ba-67b859a242b7&displaylang=en (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a754008b-d574-4e39-b4ba-67b859a242b7&displaylang=en)
64 bit MP3 Patch -http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0c56bf3c-9370-4fda-b4c8-5dc63d55626d&DisplayLang=en (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0c56bf3c-9370-4fda-b4c8-5dc63d55626d&DisplayLang=en)

EDIT: If you don't have Vista Service Pack 1 you will have to boot this from a cd for a clean install after downloading it. Otherwise Vista Service Pack 1 users are fine.

Thanks "Captain__Tripps (http://www.gamespot.com/users/Captain__Tripps/)"

Windows 7 Beta Performance Compared to XP and Vista -http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236)
Update: Microsoft is having problems giving out keys at the moment

My Vista Story;

I bought an HP tx2500us touchscreen laptop a month ago, not a gamers laptop but it has quite enough things to handle Vista, but did it work? NEvahhhhh...

It was so bad, when you touched the screen, it took a second for it to realize... Impossible to use.. Also everyone in house got mad at me for spending money on a laptop that doesnt work... (They dont know the diffrence between hardware and software speeds)

AMD TurionX2 64, 2.0GhZ
3gb Memory
Ati Radeon 3200HD

Vista Home came preloaded....
I timed it and it took litterally 9 minutes and 28 seconds for a boot.. WTF???
I could only stand it for a week,
At the end just created 2 more partitions and installed both XP and Ubuntu...
It flies, didnt use Vista since and I am afraid to try this W7 because I cant bring back Vista if it doesnt work(which I don't care but my father does)...

[Supa]

Always go for 4 gigs then. :P Wait until you can get a free upgrade to 4 gigs.

[Subaru]

Yes, you can. Just make another partition. I'm going to test MBII shortly.

Also, uninstall the bloatware. :) Vista isn't _that_ slow. The main reason you get better speeds on XP is because it was a fresh install.

[Subaru]

Confirmed, Exception Code 2.

[selman_akinci]

Yes, you can. Just make another partition. I'm going to test MBII shortly.

Also, uninstall the bloatware. :) Vista isn't _that_ slow. The main reason you get better speeds on XP is because it was a fresh install.

But it was slow when it came preloaded. I uninstalled lots of stuff but still the same way... And I cant probably download a copy of Vista to use my serial number (the legal number under the laptop) because my version has the touchscreen interface...

[xmarsbarsx]

Yup thats exactly what i got! Exception Code 2... Also games with Punkbuster do NOT work...

I tried playing BF2142 and I got a strange error that Punkbuster didnt recognize some windows process and it kicks me out after 20 seconds of gameplay


Okay, so NOW MBII team what could be the possible reasons for this?

[selman_akinci]

Windows 7 has spyware (ghostware) on it, which the game recognizes as cheat or aimbot?

[Hawk]

Vista Home came preloaded....

Ew. I don't even consider that an operating system... it's only there to make you pull your hair out and go to Home Premium.


I timed it and it took litterally 9 minutes and 28 seconds for a boot.. WTF???

That's not Vista, it's the useless bloatware that comes on every new retail PC. My parents bought this laptop because their old one broke:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834107015

It took just as long to start up as yours on the first boot. Why? because 10,000 different trial softwares were starting up at boot. After I removed all the useless trial programs, the laptop goes from off to logged in and waiting in ~15 seconds.

You also need Vista SP1 if you don't have it.



And I cant probably download a copy of Vista to use my serial number (the legal number under the laptop) because my version has the touchscreen interface...

You probably can since the touch screen is a 3rd party driver... as long as you can hook up an external mouse or have a touchpad, you can probably find the touchscreen driver on the manufacturer's website or somewhere else. I think windows may have a built in touch screen driver, not sure though.



Yup thats exactly what i got! Exception Code 2... Also games with Punkbuster do NOT work...

I tried playing BF2142 and I got a strange error that Punkbuster didnt recognize some windows process and it kicks me out after 20 seconds of gameplay


Okay, so NOW MBII team what could be the possible reasons for this?

The anti-cheat programs don't support Windows 7, so they think the new processes are hacks.

[selman_akinci]

Ew. I don't even consider that an operating system... it's only there to make you pull your hair out and go to Home Premium.



That's not Vista, it's the useless bloatware that comes on every new retail PC. My parents bought this laptop because their old one broke:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834107015

It took just as long to start up as yours on the first boot. Why? because 10,000 different trial softwares were starting up at boot. After I removed all the useless trial programs, the laptop goes from off to logged in and waiting in ~15 seconds.

You also need Vista SP1 if you don't have it.



You probably can since the touch screen is a 3rd party driver... as long as you can hook up an external mouse or have a touchpad, you can probably find the touchscreen driver on the manufacturer's website or somewhere else. I think windows may have a built in touch screen driver, not sure though.



The anti-cheat programs don't support Windows 7, so they think the new processes are hacks.


You mean when i install any vista, it will come with the touchscreen interface and handwriting recognition? I am not talking about the drives, I am talking about the calibration software, little square around every icon so you can select them by touchscreen.

[Hawk]

I think it would... in fact that's one of the "new things" that was touted with Vista if I remember correctly.

[selman_akinci]

They say Windows 7 is better for touchscreen, is it true?

[Hawk]

I heard it has a new system for it, but I don't know if the beta has it in place.

[SpeedY]

Windows 7 the build 7000 who is leaked 1 week before microsoft offical released it was faster then xp and vista at performance it looks better

AND yes it will have touchscreen.. but you need an special laptop i gues

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx and check it out the got video how it looks like also go to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ right at the bottom it says get the beta download burn to iso and try it

[SpeedY]

They say Windows 7 is better for touchscreen, is it true?

yes http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-videos.aspx?vindex=10

EDIT sry for the double post

Gaming will never be the same

[Yzmo]

vortex... Fix it!

[SpeedY]

But you see, it's complete BS. The game works (singleplayer and multiplayer) flawlessly in BASE on Windows 7, but of course the error occurs when trying MB2. In addition it doesn't stop anybody from using Aimbot or anything like that. Most people just have the common sense NOT to.

i tested a few games all games i tried workt expet jka

base works ja+ works all but mb2 not

also crysis , gta 4 works i am getting higher fps :D

comes to 1 thing MICROSOFT IS BACK! finaly a good version you can say its vista 2.0:P


but the can make a fix within 1 hour i gues but i think mb2 think the will wait till windows 7 gets released i dont rly care if i need to use dual boot for a while

[Cyber]

Well, WIndows 7 is very nice and it seems MB2 is the only thing that wouldn't work with it... so I believe I will update. IS there anything being done to fix this or... will that be the end of the fabulous relationship MB2 and myself has had?

[Subaru]

Windows 7 is still in beta, you guys can't expect Vortex to be able to snap his fingers and make a version that works with it...

[xmarsbarsx]

Yeah i'd like to be able to play atleast one good game on Windows 7 to test out performance. BF2142 and BF2 have big performance increases (but cant play them to their extent due to Punkbuster)

[AceVentura]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx

[Subaru]

How can you say that a beta product is more stable than a product with sp1 and more than 2 years of bug correction etc?


I am not saying that the performance is worse.

Because the beta propuct is built upon the sp1 product? Bothof them are pretty solid...

[Deathspike]

This thread is not about the Anti Cheat, if you've got things to say about it please start a thread dedicated to your complaints. I can motivate every decision made in the entire thing, and of course it does not stop hackers - but even stuff like punkbuster's ring0 driver doesn't stop it.

On topic:

"Thank you for taking the time to fill out the following online form. If you do not want to submit your information, click Cancel." I clicked cancel.

[Assassin]

Yeah i'd like to be able to play atleast one good game on Windows 7 to test out performance. BF2142 and BF2 have big performance increases (but cant play them to their extent due to Punkbuster)

Everything I've tried has worked, don't play anything with punkbuster though.

[haon8]

Well, not to be an ass, but this thread IS about the anti-cheat, seeing as that IS what's causing the problem, and we can't discuss fixing the problem without the cause.

And you even just said that it doesn't stop the hackers/cheaters, so why keep it in? Again, it just stops that ARE playing fairly (me, and OP, and a few others).

[AceVentura]

Well, not to be an ass, but this thread IS about the anti-cheat, seeing as that IS what's causing the problem, and we can't discuss fixing the problem without the cause.

And you even just said that it doesn't stop the hackers/cheaters, so why keep it in? Again, it just stops that ARE playing fairly (me, and OP, and a few others).tell me 1 anti cheat that stops all the cheats.

[selman_akinci]

just installed took me 20min.
It is so fast but confusing...

[Knox]

tell me 1 anti cheat that stops all the cheats.

VAC ( its constantly getting updated so yeh )

[AceVentura]

VAC ( its constantly getting updated so yeh )nice joke knox ;)

[Golden Mando Bro]

almost dl'd it, then it was liek BEFOER U DL U SHOULD BE GOOD WIT DA COMP, im not, should i be worried?

[Assassin]

almost dl'd it, then it was liek BEFOER U DL U SHOULD BE GOOD WIT DA COMP, im not, should i be worried?

Not really. You should however know how to backup your HDD (and have means to do so) You also need a DVD burner, although you may be able to boot off the .iso on a flash drive. (probably a way to do this, no idea how though)

[Subaru]

Not really. You should however know how to backup your HDD (and have means to do so) You also need a DVD burner, although you may be able to boot off the .iso on a flash drive. (probably a way to do this, no idea how though)

Or learn to partition. :)

[selman_akinci]

Here I want to review the latest OS by Microsotf, Windows 7 Beta

Computer Specs
HP tx2000z Touchscreen Laptop
AMD TurionX2 64 (2.0 GhZ)
3gb Memory
Ati Radeon 3200HD



Installation
This laptop was preloaded Vista Home Premium. It was so slow, I decided to try out the new beta. The installiation took exactly 23 minutes which is faster than Vista and XP. The downloaded file was 2gb but after installiation, it takes roughly 8gb of space. As usual in Windows, you are only asked language, keyboard, cd-key and update settings.

User Interface
First impression is really good. Instead of the circular windows logo, the windows loads with colorful balls spinning like electrons. The boot time development shows itself even in the first start. After activation and enabling the updates your computer reaches its full potential. The memory print of Windows 7 is fairly small even though not as much as XP.

The start bar now is thicker and has a glossy finish to it. When you open internet explorer, they are stacked together in the place which used to be the quick launch bar. One of the most important thing about Windows 7 is its speed, you can feel the real power of your CPU and can do multiple tasks together a lot easier.

Speed
I havent recorded my shut-down times but here are my boot up times from this triple-boot machine

Windows 7: 1.11 Minutes
Vista Home Premium (Cleaned of all junk): 2:45 Minutes
Ubuntu: 3:10 Minutes

Interestingly, Ubuntu which runs a lot faster than Vista, boots up slower than Vista mainly due to its newly added checkups during boot. Back on topic, Windows 7 displays increased ratings for your system. (Intersting, one would think the ratings would stay the same regardless of computer junk or OS)

Windows 7 average rating; 4.6
Windows 7 lowest subsey; 3.6 (<<=== Desktop performance for Windows Aero)
Windows Vista average rating: 3.9
Windows Vista lowest subset; 3.2 (<<=== Desktop performance for Windows Aero)




New Features
I think the most useful thing for me in Windows 7 was the Home/Office Network Creator. Now you can protect your network with a diffrent password than your router password which can be easily broken. (Which is why i have ubuntu, so i can break into people's routers. Anyways..) The new wizard easily creates your network unlike the old useless junk both in Vista and XP. One down side is that you need Windows 7 on all computers to use the easy network, otherwise you are still stuck to old methods where you have to constantly refresh the page to see if the other computers appeared.

Touchscreen
Finally, I want to pass on my opinions and comments about specific features such as touchscreen. There is nothing more in Windows 7 than Windows Vista that you can do with touchscreen. But whatever you can do in Vista, you can do it better in Windows 7... The new calibration is a lot more accurate but on the other side it is a little painful to calibrate. Also, they took out the only game that can be played reallt good with touchscreen, the inkball. But no worries, Windows 7 makes up for its loss. I found using yout finger a whole lot easier in Windows 7, where as the pen is still the same and good as Vista. You will only have as much trouble as you habe with a touchpad, so dont be afraid your special features will go away. 1 most stupid thing they did was to take out the letter by letter writer. Now it is almost impossible to write www.chronicles.lightbb.com with pen because it can never match it correctly. So you have to use the virtual keyboard feature mostly if you write something that is not proper english.

Linux Users
I have found out that reinstalling Ubuntu grub which is the boot manager for linux is really hard. It is a real pain and required me to switch cd's like crazy booting from one each time. Also touchscreen is not recognized by Linux, they are yet to improve their system for it. I first messed up the msconfig.exe in aim to set the boot manager correctly which resulted in my Windows Vista and Windows 7 in corrupting. Luckily, the Windows 7 cd comes with a full system for recovering and it recovered my boot manager without having to do a full install. I don't think I will be using Ubuntu as much anymore with Windows 7 being fast enough except for hacking wireless routers. (Which is my only reason for installing a Linux system)

Conclusion
I have not included any gaming opinions since I havent tried any games on neither Vista nor Windows 7. Only thing I tried was Mb2 which gave the known error.

Visual - 9.0
Speed - 9.8
User friendliness - 8.8
Size - 8.0
New Features - 5.2
TOTAL - 8.16

[Subaru]

You didn't mention the UI improvements (many) or the performance boost (I run it on a laptop with 3/4 GB RAM). :)

[Deathspike]

VAC ( its constantly getting updated so yeh )

VAC uses C++ class instances which utilized vTables for each of them. Very simply said, it contains a bunch of pointers to locations where a function starts and gets read for every function execute whenever the class is called. They don't check the validity of these, that's where VAC fails for starters. And yes! I wish i could keep updating it without having to rely on a half-year event where a new build gets released :p

[TheLOLipop]

And yes! I wish i could keep updating it without having to rely on a half-year event where a new build gets released :p

Then seperate the AC from actual code, put it up on some site, and you have to dowload it seperately, Then the engine or some registries check if it is up to date. Ofcourse thats easier said than done and probably opens new ways for hackers to pass-by the AC.

[Hawk]

Nice in depth review sel :)

[selman_akinci]

Review edited

[XD.lol]

So, will there be a fix. Is there something being done about the "Exeption code 2" or should i return to XP just to play Movie Battles?

[Subaru]

So, will there be a fix. Is there something being done about the "Exeption code 2" or should i return to XP just to play Movie Battles?

Patience. You should have dual booted...

[XD.lol]

Can you make a dual boot on windows 7?
First install windows 7 and then XP. Would that work?

[Knox]

It will erase win7 boot, but there's many programs to fix the boot, dunno if they with 7.

I had Vista and XP and after installing win7beta it stayed like this:

Windows 7
Windows Vista
Windows Xp

[jNive]

to prevent issues, you need to install in order of release.

install XP
Install win7

[jedilight]

Not really, you can install in any order you want,
Just if you install XP second, you need to fix the boot manager with the windows 7 cd, 7 cd is 10x better than XP and will fix that easily for you.

Or you can keep the XP boot manager and integrate Windows 7 into it if not recognized.

In my triple boot system first you see Ubuntu grub you have;
Windows Vista Longhorn (It doesnt recognize OS, recognizes Windows Boot manager)
Ubuntu

When you select Vista, it launches Windows 7 boot manager where you can choose Vista or Windows 7, for me it has only slowed down my boot up by4 seconds, i set both timers to 0.

[Jonathan]

I wonder if this could help us figure out what's wrong with MBII and 7:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/brianmadsen/archive/2009/01/14/windows-7-punkbuster-fix.aspx

[haon8]

Good idea Jon, but I tried it and it didn't work :(. I even tried disabling Punkbuster completely, no dice.

This is REALLY pissing me off.

[Parrish]

Still not a fix for windows 7?
I tried playing battlefield 2 today, it has problems with punkbuster servers.

[xmarsbarsx]

a fix would be nice, but im enjoying AOEII on IGZ and Empire Total War,

Im not too concerened about Punkbuster games atm

[Ford]

I'm not really into OS's much, can someone tell me why I should upgrade to vista or 7? From what I've read XP outperforms Vista in games and 7 only outperforms Vista a little bit so doesn't that mean 7 performs about the same as XP? Besides that XP works fine for me right now and I play a lot of modern graphics intensive games like Crysis, Fallout 3, and Company of Heroes; they all perform great (on moderate-high settings but that's just because I don't have ultra cutting edge hardware). Besides all that they have problems with seemingly every other software/game not made in the last 4 years while XP has no problems with any software even new stuff.

I don't see why anyone would want to run either of them rather than put XP on which is down as low as 200mb these days and can be downloaded from any torrent site in minutes. Can be installed in 30 mins or less and boots in a few seconds.

[Gabriel]

Well, basicly windows 7 is what vista should have been (IMO). I'd suggest you upgrade to windows 7 in stead of vista from XP if you want to run games in Dx10 ;)

Windows 7 will soon have a RC, wait for that one as build 7000 (the public beta build) still has some issues (mainly compatibility issues like daemon tools crashing)

[Ford]

I've never played on a computer running DX10 but from the videos and screens I saw the difference isn't that great... it makes graphics that are spectacular in quality look a tiny bit better. That still doesn't make it sound like it's worth all the compatibility problems you are guaranteed to have. :/

Then again I'm used to running on low settings because I had inadequate hardware for a long time so gameplay and reliability are more important to me. If all new games had graphics like jka I wouldn't really care as long as the gameplay was fun and original. I played FPS' in the 90's like the original quake TF and tribes which were way more fun than Crysis; I only play it now because it's where the people are going not because of the gameplay which is relatively pretty awful. I don't get the obsession over graphics at the expense of everything else. :P

[Subaru]

Other than some random agressive anticheat systems, I have had 0 compatibility issues in Vista\7.

[selman_akinci]

Other than some random agressive anticheat systems, I have had 0 compatibility issues in Vista\7.

Can you play mb2 on w7?

[Subaru]

Can you play mb2 on w7?

Not "legally", no. And did you read? I said OTHER than anticheat systems.

[Parrish]

Not "legally", no. And did you read? I said OTHER than anticheat systems.

So mb2 works for you? Are you using 32 bit?

[xmarsbarsx]

I've never played on a computer running DX10 but from the videos and screens I saw the difference isn't that great... it makes graphics that are spectacular in quality look a tiny bit better. That still doesn't make it sound like it's worth all the compatibility problems you are guaranteed to have. :/


DX10 increases performance for almost any game that runs DX9, you gain a large performance increase

[Hawk]

can someone tell me why I should upgrade to vista or 7?

Because you want to be able to continue PC gaming when all new games are coming out in DX10.

How many new games come out on DX8 Still?

[Ford]

Because you want to be able to continue PC gaming when all new games are coming out in DX10.
I don't think they are going to suddenly stop supporting DX9 while XP has such a large percentage of the market.

[Subaru]

DirectX is generally backwards compatible.

[GRIMMAH!!]

between 9 and 10, sortof. most games have a minimum version of direct x that they want though.

[Subaru]

The HL2 series supports down to like 7. :)

[Master Nintendo]

just so i know does windows 7 work with mb2 without any problems? my bro got a free beta test for the 64 bit type and he doesnt want to screw with it on his computer so he gave it to me.

[Gabriel]

Still not :( Been waiting for a fix for over a month now :(

[iNeedtoFix.]

Jupp, im having the same problems with windows 7. No other game has ****ed up like that yet, though. So I really like windows 7, but I hate it for not running MB2 properly. turn of anticheatzz plx.

[xmarsbarsx]

you all realise its a beta operating system right?? you cant expect any kind of full support untill the RTM release...

And no, its not just MB2 that doesnt work, any Punkbuster based games dont work (if your playing online that is)

[iNeedtoFix.]

Even though its a beta, it should support punkbuster-games. Many, many games are using it...

I still like windows 7 though..

[xmarsbarsx]

do you understand what a beta is??, its a use-at-your-own-risk peice of software...

they dont have to do anything... yes its probably the best OS since XP but in the real world that doesnt mean anything

[Subaru]

No, it doesn't have to. They changed system dlls and how the operating system works at the core just enough so that anticheats think you are cheating. Its not the beta not supporting punkbuster, its punkbuster not supporting the beta. ;)

[Assassin]

Its not the beta not supporting punkbuster, its punkbuster not supporting the beta. ;)

*mind*****

[Master Nintendo]

damn looks like ill be running xp on my new pc then...pm me if this ever changes though

[Subaru]

By the time Windows 7 actually comes out, I'm pretty sure the issue will have been worked out. Can't you hold your horses? Even if Vortex fixes it now, it might change again in between now and release.

[Deathspike]

Issue will be fixed on the next maintenance update, along with wine support.

[Sxx]

Issue will be fixed on the next maintenance update, along with wine support.

Nice ^_^ lets hope that will be soon o.o

[Deathspike]

Estimated time will be two to four weeks. In the near future this will also allow periodic updates to be made (compatability issues, new detection, etc) without any user intervention.

[Gabriel]

Neat, thanks Vortex :D

[xmarsbarsx]

omg thanks Vortex i was wondering when you were going to post something promising about this issue :)

im glad to hear it! Ive been waiting so long to play MBII on Windows 7 since back when i first made this thread

[xmarsbarsx]

so yeah any news on the Windows 7 fix? ive become addicted to Windows 7 but it has no good games to play!!!

vortex PM me if u need testers!

[Gabriel]

Huh? Windows 7 has no good games to play?... o_O Haven't had a game aside from MBII that I couldn't run (yet) ^_^ Compared to XP, the compatibility mode actually DOES something :p

[Fats]

read abit of the thread But IS Peformence better then XP yes or no..?

[Assassin]

read abit of the thread But IS Peformence better then XP yes or no..?

Regular desktop performance? Yes

Game Performance? Identical

[Subaru]

One neat thing (and it might just be with my card + 7) is that fits full screen games and such to your monitor. So instead of non-widescreen games stretching, you get black bars on the side, preserving the aspect ratio.

[xmarsbarsx]

Huh? Windows 7 has no good games to play?... o_O Haven't had a game aside from MBII that I couldn't run (yet) ^_^ Compared to XP, the compatibility mode actually DOES something :p

Battlefield 2 & Battlefield 2142

i want BF2 to work expecially because i wanna play the project reality mod... that mod is its own FPS MMORPG

[Jonathan]

Issue will be fixed on the next maintenance update, along with wine support.

OMG OMG OMG really Vortex? :D /hug

/dance


When the next maintenance update comes out, I'll be bringing about 4 friends to the community then. :P

[Jedi Boyd]

OMG OMG OMG really Vortex? :D /hug

/dance


When the next maintenance update comes out, I'll be bringing about 4 friends to the community then. :P

/dances2

Can't wait.

[GRIMMAH!!]

One neat thing (and it might just be with my card + 7) is that fits full screen games and such to your monitor. So instead of non-widescreen games stretching, you get black bars on the side, preserving the aspect ratio.

you can do this with xp too. it depends on your card :p

[.:ViruS:.]

Any news yet? i am waiting so long...

[Subaru]

you can do this with xp too. it depends on your card :p

Really? Where exactly is the setting for it? Do you know? I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off depending on what I'm doing.

[GRIMMAH!!]

depends on your card. i know for nvidia you'd have to go into the nvidia control panel in advanced mode. it gives you a menu on the left, look for "change flat panel scaling." click the radio button for "do not scale."

dunno about other cards though. haven't used much but nvidia for a while XD

[Dan Hibiki]

Latest builds of Windows 7 have a WinXP virtual machine built into it. I haven't been able to test it, but if this is true, MB2 should work fine.
Also, Windows 7 actually does have graphical performance upgrades in comparison to XP/Vista due to new ways it managed video memory. It may be minute at times, but its not negligible.

[Moppel]

W7 runs amazing on low end PCs! And it has rly good energy saving features.

For example: My netbook's battery on linux: 5h
on W7 :9h :eek::eek:

[Subaru]

Latest builds of Windows 7 have a WinXP virtual machine built into it. I haven't been able to test it, but if this is true, MB2 should work fine.

Only for Buisness\Ultimate (not a problem atm, as RC is Ultimate by default), an donly some proccessors (a problem, for me at least :( ).

[Hawk]

w7 runs amazing on low end pcs! And it has rly good energy saving features.

For example: My netbook's battery on linux: 5h
on w7 :9h :eek::eek:

boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[Moppel]

boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!! !!!!!!!!!

?_? ;_;

[Yzmo]

Really? Where exactly is the setting for it? Do you know? I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off depending on what I'm doing.All cards should be able to do it since even the ****ty integrated intel in my eee pc supports it.. Look for something called "Keep aspect ratio" or similar.

[selman_akinci]

When w7 is loading it says "Windows 7 Ultimate"
Windows is not gonna chop it to 6 ****ty pieces again, right?
I think only two versions are needed both at the same price;
*Low-end version for Mini-Laptops and old comps.
*High-end version with everything included...

Edit: Anyone got the newly released RC edition yet?

[GRIMMAH!!]

i've got it. i like it so far. only real issue is how annoying it is to install the drivers for my wi-fi PCI card.

[Subaru]

I've got the RC, too, runs just fine.

There will still be 5 or 6 windows pieces, sorry. When I get home I'll look em up.

But the great thing about Win7 is that it runs good on top of the line stuff AND the 5 year old laptop you have sitting around.

[Hawk]

W7 is coming in mostly the same version array as Vista (Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate etc)

[selman_akinci]

w7 is coming in mostly the same version array as vista (home basic, home premium, professional, ultimate etc)

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[Subaru]

Why is that an issue? If you _need_ XP virtualization, get Ultimate (you don't need it). If you want Media Center and Aero, get Home Premium. If you don't want/need em, get Home Basic.

[Hawk]

Home premium will be fine for mostly everyone, if you want stuff like XP emulator you get higher versions.

[selman_akinci]

Still, there was only 1 xp, but now it is stupid all 6 versions. At least have 3, not 6...

[Subaru]

There were 2 versions of XP actually. ;)

What exactly is your issue? Its all the same Windows, just some versions have extra stuff included. Its like buying a game + DLC in one package.

[Jonathan]

Is it ready yet? /cry

lol... I'm in total MBII withdrawl.... it's been months since I've played. :(

[Subaru]

Why aren't you dual booting?

[GRIMMAH!!]

yeah. you shouldn't really be booting windows 7 by itself quite yet. have a backup OS that'll run all the other stuff win7 doesn't support

[Gabriel]

Seeing most of the stuff I do on the computer is either browsing the web, watching movies/anime and/or programming related stuff and/or working with photoshop all of which windows 7 does flawlessly, not being able to run a few games isn't really a let-down for me :p Even if the most important one of those games IS MBII...

[Jonathan]

yeah. you shouldn't really be booting windows 7 by itself quite yet. have a backup OS that'll run all the other stuff win7 doesn't support

_Everything_ runs on Windows 7 for me, except MBII.

;)


XP and Vista sicken me now. I'm too spoiled. :P

[selman_akinci]

Well not really w7 specific but I have some questions on installing the new w7 as primary when it really comes out;

What is the difference between 32,64 bit?
Can i play JKA in 64 bit?
Is 64 bit faster for my computer? (Quad core 3.6 GhZ)
Any compatibility errors?

Currently I am running in IDE emulator mode, they say w7 has sata drivers, so if I just format everything and install w7, I can use AHCI mode? (currently using xp, duh)

Off-topic:
Is there any way to use use AHCI mode without formatting my XP, I read something about merging drivers with the installation CD but I am confused..

[Gabriel]

1) The only REAL difference between a 32bit system and a 64bit system is the ammount of RAM it'll recognise, 32bit has a maximum of around 4GB minus the ammount the OS recognises (usually you get around 3,2GB out of 4), 64bit has a limit of over a few billion exabytes, I'd say that's plenty for at least another 10 years :p Oh, and, some 32bit older drivers/programs won't work on a 64bit OS, which sucks :(

2) Huh? I thought SATA drivers came standard with XP service pack 2? I could be wrong though...

[selman_akinci]

So no GTKRadiant or xfire, or mb2 in 64 bit?

[Gabriel]

Well, they SHOULD all work, BUT MBII doesn't work in windows 7 atm because of the special anti-cheat system in place, Vortex' working on fixing that though :)

Try installing w7 on an empty drive first, dual boot and test if GTKRadiant works on it, haven't tested it yet ;-) You can always format the drive later if it doesn't (W7 RC is free, so test away :p)

[Jedi Boyd]

So no GTKRadiant or xfire, or mb2 in 64 bit?

MBII works in Vista (64 bit) just fine. When the anti-cheat code is revisited in MBII, then both 32/64 bit Win7 should work too.

You do have to run MBII as administrator in Vista64, but it is pretty stable.

[selman_akinci]

Well, they SHOULD all work, BUT MBII doesn't work in windows 7 atm because of the special anti-cheat system in place, Vortex' working on fixing that though :)

Try installing w7 on an empty drive first, dual boot and test if GTKRadiant works on it, haven't tested it yet ;-) You can always format the drive later if it doesn't (W7 RC is free, so test away :p)

I already have installed w7, but it is the 32 bit version

[Gabriel]

Estimated time will be two to four weeks. In the near future this will also allow periodic updates to be made (compatability issues, new detection, etc) without any user intervention.

*coughs*
It's been little over 4 weeks :p

[Assassin]

Anyone try running the game in XP compatibility mode?

[Reder]

Anyone try running the game in XP compatibility mode?

Since it's MBII problem, not JKA, setting compatibility is nonsense

[Subaru]

Since it's MBII problem, not JKA, setting compatibility is nonsense

No, its not. But regardless, that doesn't fix it.

[Knox]

Mb2 now works with windows 7. Tried it myself today, had jamp.exe set to compatibility with windows xp sp3 and it worked flawless.

[Gabriel]

Have you tried connecting and playing too? :p starting it up is one thing, actually playing is something else

[Knox]

Yes, played for 30 minutes :p

[Gabriel]

Cool, looks like I have a reason to install the RC after all. I wanted to wait for the full version, but if that one allows me to play MBII: sign me up :p

[{M}ArroW]

Cool, looks like I have a reason to install the RC after all. I wanted to wait for the full version, but if that one allows me to play MBII: sign me up :p
It didn't do the job for me... still stuck, no MB2. Vortex, can't you just release your fix before the new build? We've seen hotfixes like that before, why not just release it now so everyone can enjoy it. You've had it for quite a bit now, making us wait longer to play your mod is just ... silly, isn't it?

[AceVentura]

arrow there's no fix in beta either

[Reder]

Yes, played for 30 minutes :p

What windows build do you have? It doesnt work on 7229 to me.

[Hawk]

Are you guys using the Windows XP VM? That might be what he used to make it go.

[Assassin]

I have no idea where to find the windows XP VM.


Anyways, the compatibility thing didn't work for me.

EDIT:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8247-windows-xp-mode-install-setup.html


Gonna try it tonight.

[Assassin]

XP VM doesn't work, it emulates some screwed up GPU rather than using your physical card so you can't play games on it.

[Knox]

Well, when I get into Seven, I will explain everything I did, even tho there were only a few steps.

I didn't use this XP VM, my windows 7 RC was build 7100 If I am not mistaken.

[{M}ArroW]

Well, when I get into Seven, I will explain everything I did, even tho there were only a few steps.

I didn't use this XP VM, my windows 7 RC was build 7100 If I am not mistaken.
Same thing I'm running.

edit: compact thing didn't work here either

[Knox]

This is all I did for the game to work -> http://i41.tinypic.com/16bycr7.jpg

[Subaru]

How many of the people having problems upgraded from beta to RC instead of doing a clean install?

[Assassin]

How many of the people having problems upgraded from beta to RC instead of doing a clean install?

I did a clean format myself.

[jNive]

You cannot do an upgrade - re-install is required for all Beta/RC builds

Also, make sure you specify if you are running the normal version or the 32-bit version

[Subaru]

You cannot do an upgrade - re-install is required for all Beta/RC builds

Also, make sure you specify if you are running the normal version or the 32-bit version

Right, forgot upgrade is an "unsupported" option.

[Assassin]

I`m on the 64bit version.

[selman_akinci]

I had 32 bit beta but I tried 64 bit RC, only used it once so far... With all my programs in XP, I am too lazy to switch OS. But to tell the truth, I swear the only reason i havent started using w7 is because mb2.... Fix the damn cheat system already..

[{M}ArroW]

This is all I did for the game to work -> http://i41.tinypic.com/16bycr7.jpg
Tried it numerous times without any succes whatsoever. :mad:

[iNeedtoFix.]

I'm thinking of trying out MB2 on a virtual mahcine on VM Ware. But does it support graphics card and cpu properties of the physical mahcine?

[Deathspike]

I'm thinking of trying out MB2 on a virtual mahcine on VM Ware. But does it support graphics card and cpu properties of the physical mahcine?

No VM software thus far managed to properly address the graphical card.

[iNeedtoFix.]

No VM software thus far managed to properly address the graphical card.

Then its pretty damn useless to try out the virtual solutions.

Hmm, anyother suggestion?

[Subaru]

Get Vortex to update the AC. :)

[ThEgg]

If I've got an OEM version of Vista, can I upgrade to 7 using the upgrade CD? I know I have to use Home Premium upgrade if I have Home Premium, but I need to know if it applies to OEM versions as well. Amazon has pre-orders for the upgrades at $50 so I'll definitely be getting it if I can.

[Subaru]

Yes, I believe you will be able to upgrade that way.

[=[GIN]=ISA=Technicolour]

Windows 7 is going out to manufacturers in less than a month, and computers are going to start shipping with it in just over two months. Unless MB2 is ready for the magnitude of people who intend on upgrading they'll lose a large chunk of their membership base.

I chose to upgrade to Windows 7 because I needed a 64-bit operating environment without having to use the devastatingly poor Vista or the buggy-at-best XP 64. Surely an issue as devastatingly important as the game not working on what's to become to the most popular operating system in the world should be at the top of the developers priority list, no?

[iNeedtoFix.]

yes plz fix!

[iNeedtoFix.]

I really hate to spam/nag, but whats the status on the new anti-cheat system and windows 7?

[Gabriel]

Yea, it should have been finished 2-3 weeks ago according to your own deadline :p

[xmarsbarsx]

i neeeeeeed it X_X

is there some kind of beta?

[Iuhrn Nor]

I can't believe how much they charge for OS's. It's ridiculous. That's just ASKING to be pirated. :\

[iNeedtoFix.]

Its really not that much if you think about how much you will use it, everyday, for years.

[Iuhrn Nor]

Its really not that much if you think about how much you will use it, everyday, for years.

400 dollars as opposed to free? It's a lot, if you ask me. That's like, a BIG chunk of a car. Or a month's rent. Or a ****LOAD of beer/other intoxicants. Like, I just can't justify that in my mind.

[iNeedtoFix.]

400 dollars as opposed to free? It's a lot, if you ask me. That's like, a BIG chunk of a car. Or a month's rent. Or a ****LOAD of beer/other intoxicants. Like, I just can't justify that in my mind.

I'm no supporter for Microsoft or anything, but would you drive a car without a license? It's the same like pirating, its illegal.

All I'm saying is that 400 bucks ain't that much if you think about how much you're actually gonna' use it. Its like getting the driver license, hell, its expensive as ****, at least in Norway, but you're gonna use it like everyday untill you die!

[Iuhrn Nor]

I'm no supporter for Microsoft or anything, but would you drive a car without a license? It's the same like pirating, its illegal.

All I'm saying is that 400 bucks ain't that much if you think about how much you're actually gonna' use it. Its like getting the driver license, hell, its expensive as ****, at least in Norway, but you're gonna use it like everyday untill you die!

No but I'd steal a car from a lot if I KNEW I wouldn't be caught.

Sorry to take this topic so off topic.

[Gabriel]

Isn't it like... 200 bucks for the home version or 119 if you're upgrading from XP or vista, why would you even need more than the home version?

[Subaru]

I'm pretty sure it is 50 for an upgrade.

[xmarsbarsx]

I'm pretty sure it is 50 for an upgrade.

For only a limited time... you can get Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade for just 1 EASY PAYMENT of 49.99!

Remember, this offer is for a limited time only, so order now!

[Deathspike]

Isn't it like... 200 bucks for the home version or 119 if you're upgrading from XP or vista, why would you even need more than the home version?

Because some people are pro? :p

[Ossian]

I can't believe how much they charge for OS's. It's ridiculous. That's just ASKING to be pirated. :\

Go to google and type:
Define: Monopoly

[iNeedtoFix.]

Go to google and type:
Define: Monopoly

Thats a cool game, isn't it? With a dice and stuff.

[Iuhrn Nor]

Thats a cool game, isn't it? With a dice and stuff.

And fake monies!

AND YOU CAN PLAY AS A YORKSHIRE TERRIOR OR A THUMBTACK!

Ultimate decision-making in games, perfected.

[xmarsbarsx]

Okay so the guy who apparently got it fixed on Windows 7, you ran it through the .bat file.

Does anyone else do this? or do you all use the no-cd thing?

[iNeedtoFix.]

I'm using the bat file. Never really liked the no-cd thing when I allready got the cd in my drive all the time :p

Eidt: I don't really trust the guy who posted screens, it could be a server without the anti-cheat feature.

[Subaru]

The anticheat feature in question is clientside.

[iNeedtoFix.]

The anticheat feature in question is clientside.

So what happen if one attempts to remove it?

[Subaru]

Well, that would depend on how you remove it. :) Most of the time, you will get kicked from the server because of lack of authentication.

[iNeedtoFix.]

Bump!!

[Knox]

I'm using the bat file. Never really liked the no-cd thing when I allready got the cd in my drive all the time :p

Eidt: I don't really trust the guy who posted screens, it could be a server without the anti-cheat feature.

Ask Ace Ventura, I played with him.

[Gabriel]

Still no luck here, we (W7 users) are all waiting patiently (or using dual boot XP) :p

[GoodOlBen]

Yeah I think I'm also going to be falling to this category soon. Gonna install Windows XP and Windows 7 onto my new computer.

[Hawk]

I hope the fix is coming soon, W7 is is due to debut in October.

[jNive]

end of july it is due to go RTM and be available to business customers with Volume Licensing and Software Assurance agreements

[iNeedtoFix.]

It would be nice with a reply from Vortex. I even PM'd him some days ago, asking him to take a look at this thread.

[xmarsbarsx]

(unofficialy) RTM Windows 7 Build 7600 Leaked

google it since im to lazy to post links

[iNeedtoFix.]

(unofficialy) RTM Windows 7 Build 7600 Leaked

google it since im to lazy to post links

Will this help?!

Edit: I'm downloading it now, probably full of trojans. Meh..

[jNive]

also
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/07/13/update-on-windows-7-rtm.aspx

[xmarsbarsx]

Im now dual booting Windows 7 RC and Windows 7 RTM 7600, Was able to activate it with a trick I found that uses the RC time schedule (i.e it doesnt perminantly activate it, it works off the RC times, so it will disable when the RC disables)

7600 uses a bit more ram than the RC, ur gunna most likely use 1GB of ram at idle. Im pretty sure there isnt trojans on this because I got it direct from WZOR, and they are famous for Windows stuff (i.e, they wouldnt ruin there reputation by posting torrents for a bad build)

[Deathspike]

So basically there is absolutely no improvement regarding RAM compared to Vista?

[xmarsbarsx]

So basically there is absolutely no improvement regarding RAM compared to Vista?

seems like it. but it might be better optmizied so it will use that RAM more efficiantly.

Its not slowing down at all for me cuz of my system. But it was just the biggest change ive noticed for awhile. Cant seem to find the source of the 400 MB jump but like i said i doubt its being used by trojans

[DarthNormaN]

what about going through your process table to see whats using that much RAM.. as far as i've heard, 7 uses less RAM than vista (doesnt mean vista does a bad job on it)

[xmarsbarsx]

I did, theres nothing that looks different from RC, but idk, i just noticed at first start it as at like 1 GB instead of 800 GB when i start up with RC.

although it feels like the possible RTM is alot faster than the RC but uses more ram, its possible that the RTM one is finally multi-threading better, but idk, its difficult to tell

[Hawk]

So basically there is absolutely no improvement regarding RAM compared to Vista?

No leaks.

[Subaru]

Whaaat? Something fishy is going on. Will someone else try this build?

[Deathspike]

It could be Windows 7 is utilizing the common-used kind of system. I know Vista preloaded elements you use often in order to have it respond faster and it would clear the system resources when you're going into a full-screen application (or something similar). Perhaps this is the case, preloaded elements? Does RAM usage drop when going into a game (if you don't count the game :p)?

[Emiel Regis]

It's probably because loads of useless services running in background. By disabling those, I was able to get my beta (pre-RC build, 7100 or so) into using about 500 mb of memory at idle.

Im sure you can do that with RTM too.

BTW, anyone tried running mb2 on winxp mode in RC? It might actually work, since vortex is a lazyarse and wont be getting the fix any time soon :p

[selman_akinci]

I believe it is because of the spying services that were added to log everything we do. (Srsly, that is probably it) Remember why Win98 was so light? Because there was no 24/7 internet and no spying...

READ; (Even if you dont believe it, it is interesting for any user)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298702.html

[iNeedtoFix.]

BTW, anyone tried running mb2 on winxp mode in RC? It might actually work, since vortex is a lazyarse and wont be getting the fix any time soon :p

I did. Like 10 times, and no go.

[xmarsbarsx]

It could be Windows 7 is utilizing the common-used kind of system. I know Vista preloaded elements you use often in order to have it respond faster and it would clear the system resources when you're going into a full-screen application (or something similar). Perhaps this is the case, preloaded elements? Does RAM usage drop when going into a game (if you don't count the game :p)?

well considering the with BF2 on high textures was 2.5 GB total RAM (with Windows 7 and BF2 combined) which i think is impressive

[Subaru]

I believe it is because of the spying services that were added to log everything we do. (Srsly, that is probably it) Remember why Win98 was so light? Because there was no 24/7 internet and no spying...

READ; (Even if you dont believe it, it is interesting for any user)
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298702.html

Lol. New signature. Tinfoil hat off, please. There is something called a packet sniffer. Someone would have noticed by now. :)

[selman_akinci]

Lol. New signature. Tinfoil hat off, please. There is something called a packet sniffer. Someone would have noticed by now. :)

They have noticed it and that is what it explains...

[Subaru]

No. He explicitly states it is a theory. At no point does he offer any sort of proof.

[selman_akinci]

When accessing Microsoft Help systems, through the F1 key. A communication attempt to Microsoft's ActiveX site is made.



Each and every time a search is conducted using the search option under the start button on Windows XP, the system automatically checks if your online and transmits information directly to Microsoft.


That is found from packet sniffers, but you cant know exactly what the packets say just like you cant figure out what is in the jasp.exe

It actually states hard core REAL firewalls will catch those. It is known things that your IE contacts Microsoft first everytime you go to a website. It is known things that Windows captures thumbalins of every picture you view and have to be cleaned manually. There are lots more we as the average users know etc..

http://virus.org.ua/unix/keylog/klog.htm

[Subaru]

1. Because it accesses the Online MS help, for the latest information.

2. Other people can decipher packets. Trust me on this one.

3. On the keylogger link: Dell != Microsoft. Also, http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/16/the-dell-keylogger-conspiracy-hoax/

[Subaru]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298702.html

1. See #2.

2. It searches the MS database

3. I can bypass the ownership of a drive if i want with a few clicks, would you prefer the drive to be permanently locked?

4. "No mapping to executable"? Uhh, no. You can open up a column for that in the task manager

5. No idea

6. Pure BS. Psychological Profiles in the registry, lol.

7. Word generates them for something, don't ask me. I doubt it is used for spying though.

8. ....that's not how it works...

9. If that is true, it's done so you don't have a list a few thousand items long.

10. BS. Plain and simple.

11. No, it is a vital part of memory management. Idiot.

12. What does this have to do with Microsoft sending your info? Even if it did block outgoing connections, they could easily bypass their own firewall.

13. Lolololol.

14. Sure. It could, if you think of it that way. Disable your auto updates, and risk infiltration by spyware then :)

15. This makes no sense at all. "t also prevents the disabling of Microsoft's TCP/IP stack, which for all we know, could have 30,000 extra 'ports' coded into." Srsly? :D

16. Makes no sense.

17. MS writes its own EULA, it can't breach it.

18. Yes, lets all go back to WMP7.

19. 'Do not cache Thumbnails' is pretty obvious. It means that the preview thumbnails are reloaded every time. This other Alternate Data Streams stuff is for system information.

20. Yes, "Microsoft Windows is designed to collapse upon extensive number crunching, of large arrays, of floating point calculations". *wonders why his games work on windows*

21. Riiiight.

22. The IE cache is used to speed up pages you've already visited. It is easily disabled\deleted.

23. See above.

24. ....paranoia ftw.

25. Autocomplete is disableable. More paranoia.

26. Not going to go into this one. You choose to install MSN Messenger.

27. Yes, MS is spying on us through or Mics and Webcams. Gg.

=20 more coming soon=

[jNive]

IE contacts Microsoft first everytime you go to a website

Obviously - thats the 'anti-phising' feature :-) roflmao - but they promise not to pass on or sell that data!!!!

Also, a lot of these 'concerns' or issues expressed by people are a result of not understanding what the OS is actually doing or how else it should achieve something the user agreed to do. things like the thumbnail cachine, temporary files in IE, MRU list for opened files etc, transmission of browsing data to MS when certain protection features are enabled etc

[Subaru]

1. Don't know what it does, probably lets applications connect to the internet. :)

2. If you disable autoupdates, fine, you don't get security patches.

3. For consumers, idiot. My house doesn't have a server.

4. Press control+alt+delete at the login screen. Type in administrator. Tada!

5. Pure paranoia. Plus, you can't do remote Magnetic Force Microscopy.

6. DOS emulator only searches filenames, Windows search is more indepth. Speed difference explained, gg.

7. This guy is high, seriuosly. Typing in random ip addresses in windows explorer.

8. Ermmm...ok?

9. See #8

10. See #9.

11. Not sure what RPC does

12. Used for corporate networks and such, where the settings are tightly locked down.

13. Not sure what he means here.

14. Used for networked printers and such, I believe. I don't think it is much of a security risk, but whatever.

15. You can find these events in your admin panel, can't recall atm where. Of course Windows _could_ have another layer of event reporting, but what then?

16. Yes, disabling system restore protects your information. GG.

17. Right. Whatever. Don't know much about this service.

18. Ok, you can disable the time sync service and have your timestamps be all over the place.

19. It is not "Zero" configuration. You can't force someone's computer to connect to the internet. More BS.

"20. Microsoft Works

Breach of trade descriptions act? Microsoft 'probably' Works. :)

Really, it is an 'implied' suggestion based on the play of words. It can be described as 'psychologically misleading', human psychology is extremely complex, even if most humans are not.

This implied statement is registered at a deeper level of the brain and assigned its true meaning. Otherwise, you would have never considered the relationship in the first place.

One way of describing this is, 'marketing', the accurate description is 'subliminal programming', it does not matter how slight the incident.

This is very, similar in style, to the 'French Fries' and 'Freedom Fries' incident in the US, used to blind the US citizens from war opposition, through manipulation of patriotic beliefs.

Shameful.

Done by design."

Not going to even say anything about that.

More fun quotes...

"Wild Speculation On Codenaming Strategy

Microsoft has had a consistent naming policy for its operating systems, in the form of city names. Code names for various releases have included; Chicago, Memphis, etc.

Now all this changed with the arrival of Windows XP. Its codename was 'whistler' and the next version of Windows is codenamed 'LongHorn'. I was interested in the reasoning behind the switch. I was thinking that these codenames could be based on one, or more, of the following points:

1. A play on the term 'whistleblower'?
2. A play on a reference to 'pinocheo'? (tells stories, reference to Long (Nose) and Horn (Whistle Blower) )
3. Horn, as in a form of 'early warning system' and Long because of its distributed nature?"

"Alterations to M$ Windows also coincides with antitrust cases and the reversal of the ruling to split Microsoft into two companies. This leads to three important questions:

1. Was Microsoft hijacked by the US government, CIA or NSA?
2. Is this why M$ Windows was altered?
3. What would the suggested reason be for military adaptations to M$ Windows prior to 9/11?
4. Why 3 Operating Systems (ME, 2000 and XP) between 1999-2001?

I only mention this to be fair, rather than shoot first, ask questions later. I'm a Zen Buddhist and politics, ain't my bag baby. :)"

"May I remind everyone that Google is behind nearly every major search engine in the World. Is this what they describe as 'free enterprise' in action?

I wouldn't like to see systematic manipulation of the global economy, if that's the case. :)"

"An MFM series of images of the disk platter is produced and converted to 3D. Then each sector's dimensional values are offset against the values provided by the known characteristics of the read/write heads. Each binary bit is treated independently.

As most can see, this method bypasses encryption by focusing on physical position. After this, it is simply a matter of computing variations and attempting to match patterns. Not one bit of cipher breaking, makes you wonder about the advice security companies provide and who exactly qualified them in 'IT Security'??

[selman_akinci]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298702.html

i am not trying to defend this by any means but i personally believe, they are spying on us and logging everything we do. Why does microsoft want you to validate your windows everytime you buy a new part like ethernet card, memory etc...?

1. See #2.

2. Wait so it is ok to contact microsoft and supplying them every keywordthat you search? Most firewalls dont cath that meaning there are other things that go unnoticedfrom our ethernet cable...

3. Well, i got nothing..

4. It still doesnt display all the processes.

5. No idea <<== me neither

6. Pure bs. Psychological profiles in the registry, lol. <<== i lold that too :d but registry in windows is pure dumb **** we gotta agree.

7. Word generates them for something, don't ask me. I doubt it is used for spying though. <<== this is where i disagree, most temps are probably for spying purposes, what sites you go etc..

8. No idea

9. See 8...

10.. I agree microsoft makes notepad ****ty so you buy office but i think they could spy from notepad if they wanted to too...

11. Mabbe?

12. Agree with subaru

13. Lolololol. <<== i lol'd

14. I believe this is really a way they tweak their spyware :d

15. Wut?

16. They create bugs to spy on us?

17. Ms writes its own eula, it can't breach it. <<== well, they can... And it is true they advertise usa entrepreneurs but nothing to do with spying.

18. Yes, lets all go back to wmp7. <<== it was known in wmp7 it is probably moar secret in wmp11

19. Thumbnails are perfect ways of spying images viewed...

20. Mabbe bs?

21. Riiiight. <<=== it seems pretty logical...

22. The ie cache is used to speed up pages you've already visited. It is easily disabled\deleted. It can be disabled which gives a sense of safety but seems perfect for spying...

23. See above.

24. Cookies do contain lots of info, and i believe they can be used for great intel like stated in the site.

25. Autocomplete is disableable. See 22.

26. Not going to go into this one. You choose to install msn messenger. <<== true but it makes sense that they spy through it?

27. Yes, ms is spying on us through or mics and webcams. Gg. <<== gg on you, i have personally activated my friends webcams and microphones many times with the usage of a small trojan. Sice the whole os is theirs, they can pretty muchdo it easily.

Why do people use peer guardian to block ip? So authorities cant come in and spy on you.

=20 more coming soon= <<=== lets wait:d

I do agree that Dell thing might be hoax.. But it would make more sense if intel motherboards had built in keyloggers...

[Subaru]

http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/meinung/facepalm_mosaic.jpg (hint, zoom out).

Just because a company can do something doesn't mean it will. A company with billions in assets and stocks won't risk all that for a few extra million off of data thieft. And MS does NOT need you to validate windows every time you get a new part. Geez.

...if you are agreeing that many of the things he says are BS, why the hell did you post the link?

[selman_akinci]

It is not about personal info stealing, every country uses miicrosoft now. How sbout stealing military plans of CHina?

What is the point of peer guardian, I am confused...

[Subaru]

You are a very confused person.

[selman_akinci]

You are a very confused person.

Some of thosemight be funny but some are very logical and eve if you say yes to one of them, you agree that microsoft, can or is spying on you...

[Subaru]

Anyone can spy on you. I doubt they are though. There might be one or two logical statements in there, out of the whole paper. Even then, he provides no evidence.

[selman_akinci]

Anyways, enough discussion on spying.
As I restate what i said, they send a man to moon with the processor of ti-83, but my quadcore gets laggier everytime i install something and the windows still takes so much time to load up.... It is a fact that a Mac and Linux never gets cluttered and you can use it for 5 years without a format but i usually format my xp every year...

Windows could fix their stupid system so far to remove duplicates and junk, right?

[Hawk]

Yea they could do an expensive and time consuming line 1 rewrite for Windows, but when the current Windows has a 90% market share why bother?

Also, this is my 1,337th post. Woot :p

[Subaru]

Anyways, enough discussion on spying.
As I restate what i said, they send a man to moon with the processor of ti-83, but my quadcore gets laggier everytime i install something and the windows still takes so much time to load up.... It is a fact that a Mac and Linux never gets cluttered and you can use it for 5 years without a format but i usually format my xp every year...

Windows could fix their stupid system so far to remove duplicates and junk, right?

Anyways, enough discussion on your failing ^_^

They did all lot of the processing for the trip to the moon on dedicated systems meant specifically for that purpose. The Windows isn't the problem here. Mac and Linux do get cluttered. Do you even use those OSs on a regular basis?

EDIT: My friend says "at least he believes we landed on the moon ;)"

[selman_akinci]

Anyways, enough discussion on spying ^_^

They did all lot of the processing for the trip to the moon on dedicated systems meant specifically for that purpose. The Windows isn't the problem here. Mac and Linux do get cluttered. Do you even use those OSs on a regular basis?

EDIT: My friend says "at least he believes we landed on the moon ;)"

I do use them everyday with my quad-boot :D
(Widows boot loader causes so much pain)
I had linux installed on my other system for years and it is still fast as first day, it doesnt continiousely grow like windows or give stupid error reports in the middle of something.

I only tried w7 RC for a week or so...

Wait, they landed on the moon? When? You know the things I believe are not illogical...

[Subaru]

But which do you use more, Linux or Windows? And I don't believe you use a Mac, unless you are smarter than you seem and managed to setup Hackintosh.

[iNeedtoFix.]

I have to agree with Subaru on this one. "Notepad is made ****ty so they can push people to buy Office".... lol

Anyways, make this game compatible with Windows 7!!!

[xmarsbarsx]

I wanna punch whoever made this stupid article about M$ spying on computers. Its filled with nonsense. There is absolutly no research in this at all, its all stupid theorys that are not even close to the purpose of the service. Whoever made that article needs to STFU and stop accusing M$ for spying.

[=[GIN]=ISA=Technicolour]

So, windows 7 is finished and went out to manufacturers today. And yet MB2 still wont run on it. Cool story bro.

[BlackBolt]

if it went out to manufacturers today how do you know it doesn't run?

[chicken]

Well I got it to work pretty easily in windows 7:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3783/mbiirc3inw7.jpg

However if the mbii devs don't want to share their fix... I guess I shouldn't either:/


If you really want to... You know where to find me! And if you don't... /fail

greets,
Fishy

[Subaru]

The mbii team doesn't have a fix. Vortex is the only one who knows anything about the anticheat, and he's not always around.

[Khaze]

Considering Windows 7 did infact go in to manufacturing today, making the game compatible with it really has not been our top-most priority. Have patience.

[Hawk]

Well I hope you have one in a couple of months when it goes retail.

[iNeedtoFix.]

I really hope it will be ready soon... Can't stand that ****ing error message.

[AceVentura]

Well I got it to work pretty easily in windows 7:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3783/mbiirc3inw7.jpg

However if the mbii devs don't want to share their fix... I guess I shouldn't either:/


If you really want to... You know where to find me! And if you don't... /fail

greets,
Fishyplease don't lie. We don't have a fix

[Subaru]

Technically you could fix it by disabling Exception Code Number 2...I don't recall how important that one is though. :p

[iNeedtoFix.]

Technically you could fix it by disabling Exception Code Number 2...I don't recall how important that one is though. :p

Do it!

[{M}ArroW]

please don't lie. We don't have a fix
... :-(

[Yzmo]

So.. What i don't get is why Windows 7 is about 4x as big and RAM requirative than WinXP

Sure, it has some neat new features, but still. It cant be worse than Vista though so i might give it a try.

[Knox]

So.. What i don't get is why Windows 7 is about 4x as big and RAM requirative than WinXP

Sure, it has some neat new features, but still. It cant be worse than Vista though so i might give it a try.

[xmarsbarsx]

So.. What i don't get is why Windows 7 is about 4x as big and RAM requirative than WinXP

Sure, it has some neat new features, but still. It cant be worse than Vista though so i might give it a try.

As a frequent Windows 7 build tester for leaked builds, yes there is a large ram usage, however I feel the difference from Vista to 7 is the better multi-threading and better optimized code. This means it can use the same amount of RAM as Vista, but uses that RAM more efficantly, thus better performance.

Since Windows 7 has RTM'd with the build code of : 7600.16385.090713-1255

(which has already leaked), Im going to dual boot it and use the RC activation to use it for as long as the RC lasts.

Im happy this has finally happened. Was waiting forever, though was hoping for more leaked builds :(

[Subaru]

7 is also optimized so that if you have less RAM, it can run liter. :)

[farbus]

Well I got it to work pretty easily in windows 7:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3783/mbiirc3inw7.jpg

However if the mbii devs don't want to share their fix... I guess I shouldn't either:/


If you really want to... You know where to find me! And if you don't... /fail

greets,
Fishy

how did u fix the exception code ****???

[xmarsbarsx]

its either a shop or hacks.

[chicken]

A modified mbii.pk3 did the job. However I'm not allowed to share it because it makes hacking a little easier.

[Jonathan]

Ridiculous how long this is taking. Whenever I finally get back in the game, I will RAWR!

[Yzmo]

A modified mbii.pk3 did the job. However I'm not allowed to share it because it makes hacking a little easier.Talk to vortex.

[^Pirate^Tap]

I would <3 whoever gave me this fix, Pink has been raving about rc3 and so i re-dl'd mb2 and jka, only to find that my love of win7 conflicts with my love of mb2 :( free cookies to whoever can get me up and running!

[|_maPex_|]

So.. What i don't get is why Windows 7 is about 4x as big and RAM requirative than WinXP

Sure, it has some neat new features, but still. It cant be worse than Vista though so i might give it a try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefetcher

Windows Vista and 7 save information in the RAM to speed up consistently accessed applications. Windows Vista/7 of course enhance the algorithm a bit more via ReadyBoost and SuperFetch.

In fact, if you have a lot of memory labeled as "Free" in 7, something is wrong.

[Gabriel]

Ridiculous how long this is taking. Whenever I finally get back in the game, I will RAWR!

You're not the only one >_> I just CBA (re)installing an entire OS just for ONE game...

[^Pirate^Tap]

I no longer have any other OS atm, Have win7 on preorder :(

[Parrish]

So there's a modified mbii.pk3?
Giiiive i want to play mb2


Technically you could fix it by disabling Exception Code Number 2...I don't recall how important that one is though. :p

How?

[Reder]

Use anticheat bypass. I'm not going to post here link.

[Parrish]

use anticheat bypass. I'm not going to post here link.

<3
...

[Neko]

Any news? :\