American v European All-Stars?

[Metaguardian]

I was thinking that in the final week of the tournament before the big international grand final (best American or Australian team v best European team), we could have an American v European All-Stars match to add to the hype. I mean picture the likes of Blunt, Gogetto, Froggalog and other top European players against the likes of Deli Pastrami, Andrew Past, Hotshot, and other top American players. The aim of this would be to have the TOP players playing, not the best 'team players' or everyone's 'favourite' player, just the players who are the most skilled and cause the most carnage in both public and competitive Mb2 games. The match would be a 7 v 7, meaning all classes would be used (and thus potentially the best American/Europeans for each class)

The biggest problem with a match of this type of course is choosing the players. I myself would organise this match as I'm not affiliated with the American or European players (being Australian), yet I'm still very familiar with the players on other continents. What I'll do is compile my own list of 'all-stars' (we can start off with a squad of like 20 each for the American and European teams and then whittle it down to a final match squad of 5 starters and 5 subs, depending on who can make it), while I get the rest of you to compile your own list. I'd also like each of the top Mb2 clans (for instance the teams in the quarter-finals in the tournament perhaps, like dV[8], Team Poland, Team Prodigy, DG, Crazy Hunters, JAC, and so on) to nominate the top player from their clan to be in the match.

So to summarise:

1. Anyone can propose their list of who should be in the 20 American and European 'all-stars' preliminary squad. These lists will be considered for ideas and judging public opinion on who should be in the final squad. You can either compile a general list or a class-specific list, for instance (Soldier-- Gogetto, Bounty Hunter-- Blunt, etc, for both American and European).

2. Clan leaders from the American & European quarter-finals teams in the tournament (Team Poland, Daemon Vice Eternal, D-Generation, Crazy Hunters, Finnelite, Corruption Force, NovaHawks, JAC, from the European side; and Team Prodigy, C-Crew, Dekas in the Vents, The Verge, Legion or Elite Warriors depending on who wins their match, CoR, Fixes) nominate ONE player who you think is the best in your clan. I can't guarantee that they will be in the final all-stars squad and it's very possible that some clans may be more heavily represented (as in have 2 members instead of 1 or whatever).

The aim of this is that we can get a large squad of 'all-stars' then a final squad of all-stars and play the match possibly as an 'exhibition game' preceding the grand tournament finale. I'm sure there'll be plenty of debate about the selection process and also about different players people list, but PLEASE no flaming. If there's flaming and this degenerates into fighting, the mods will close it and this all-stars match won't happen, so for your sake, keep it civil.

Provisional Squad (European):

Blunt
Gogetto
Froggalog

Provisional Squad (American):

Numba 1 Stunna
Xeno
Underoath
Captain Andrew Past
Majeh
Corsair
Ford
Deli Pastrami
Wafflz
Remice
Spellbound
Monk
Duh
Hic
Skinner
S!ck

[Metaguardian]

To give an example (these are just the players I thought of on the top of my head, obviously they need refining and I'm sure I've missed out other really awesome players):

Possible European list:

Froggalog
Blunt
Goggeto
M00
Calidh
Lupus
Mafus

Possible American list:

S!ck
Monk
Ford
Valcor
Xeno
Deli Pastrami
Captain Andrew Past
Wafflez
Corsair
Falcon
Skittles
Max Arial
Hotshot

[><CHEWY><]

I actually woudn't mind playing deka for this if maffus plays SBD :>

[Metaguardian]

I actually woudn't mind playing deka for this if maffus plays SBD :>

I'll also remind everyone that nominating yourself for a spot on the all-stars team is a no-no.:p

[><CHEWY><]

Meh...who else is there to nominate me? =p

I'm not in any one of those clans, i'm in the badass t³!

[Riles Lek]

How will you handle the lag accusations and such?

[FrAeK]

I'll also remind everyone that nominating yourself for a spot on the all-stars team is a no-no.:p

Uhh unless Cysiek goes ahead as a deka then theres no one better than chewy imo. I nominate him lol

[Mashirafen]

Trouble is there are so many highly skilled players to choose from, who are pretty evenly matched in terms of skill with their best class, but use very different styles.

[GogettO]

lol ;D Seriously Meta, yesterday I had conversation with Agent about match like this (plz mate don't repeat here what you said before at the server) :D
Now I came to the forum, and look at this topic and "lol, Agent post this idea to the forum", and now i got suprised - You posted this :)

Anyway, Cysiek is not playin' mb2 for more/less half year. Mafus is good, but he's not training alot, so if Chewy's deka skills is like as i remember (Mb2 Tournament days), than he should play that class, and SBD should be Allucard imho.
Second thing, the choosing players system is not quite good.


How will you handle the lag accusations and such?

Probably one map at US serv, second at Euro.

[Verdugo]

How will you handle the lag accusations and such?

This is a reason why this probably won't go out well.

[MAS]

Gog should go sniper to be quite frigging honest. Or any other E-11 class in that case :p

[GogettO]

Gog should go sniper to be quite frigging honest. Or any other E-11 class in that case :p

Thanks ;) but probably You haven't seen Sunlight's sniper skillz :)

[MAS]

I have, but he sucks. :)

*kisses Sunny*

[agentoo8]

European Players
Sith/Jedi: Agent008/M00
Bounty Hunter/Hero: Blunt
Deka: Chewy
Clone: Lawler
ET: Calidh
Sold: Max/Fraek
SBD: Xa4

[Varlesh]

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Part-T
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Trysty
Varlesh
Walker
Xa4

:p

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

I'm thoroughly disappointed at the lack of DaveGrohl in these lists.

[agentoo8]

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Part-T
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Trysty
Varlesh
Walker
Xa4


The '7 All-Star Players of MB2'.
And this looks like the DG Clan...I smell bias :P

[FrAeK]

European Players
Sith/Jedi: Froggalog
Bounty Hunter: Blunt
Hero: tp.Max ( as long as he uses pistol 3!!!!)
Deka: Chewy
Clone: Mafus
ET: Calidh or vriff
Sold: tp.Gog/lawler/ or meeee! weeee
SBD: Walker
Arc: tp.allucard
Mando: [UP]Hiyourinmaru (spelling?)

[Khage]

Hyourinmaru*

[Mashirafen]

How will you handle the lag accusations and such?

By telling the players to live with it, get used to it or GTFO.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Wat?

You play Sith all these years only to be recognized for your SBD skills. :cry:

You wallrun too much, can't do that as SBD.

[MAS]

You're a great clone xa4! And Soldier! And ET! ^_^

[agentoo8]

Wat?

You play Sith all these years only to be recognized for your SBD skills. :cry:

I only ever really played with you in B17/B18 - you kicked ass with SBD ;)

[Entity]

Lupus for mando tbh, what the **** is lawla doing on clone spot?

[><CHEWY><]

European Players
Sith/Jedi: Froggalog
Bounty Hunter: Blunt
Hero: tp.Max ( as long as he uses pistol 3!!!!)
Deka: Chewy
Clone: Mafus
ET: Calidh or vriff
Sold: tp.Gog/lawler/ or meeee! weeee
SBD: Walker
Arc: tp.allucard
Mando: [UP]Hiyourinmaru (spelling?)


*Nods*

Cept you won't get Walker to play so
Walker --> Allu
Niether will you get Hiyo so Hiyo --> Jirec

And clone - lerv/maffus, not sure if Maffus would play that? No idea..

[Andrew Past]

Hurray! I made Meta's list. :D

Anyways, here's mine (yes, I'm on it, but there's alternatives. Besides I made Meta's. :p):

Americans
Soldier: Prilladog
Elite Trooper: Xan (a medic), Numba 1 Stunna
Jedi/Sith: Me, Spellbound, Shao, Skittles
Hero/BH: Kovu (although, he's using a different name now,) Goose, Trenton Viehawhateveritis (yes, he can be an ass, but he IS good,) Deli Pastrami
Wookiee: Majeh, The Noble Gentleman Jewbacca
Clone: Trenton Viehawhateveritis
ARC/Mandalorian: Corsair
Droideka: Ford/Colt
SBD: ... I'm not sure, actually.

[Supa]

Just run the first 10 or 15 rounds on a New York server like AOD Perdition and then run the second set of 10 or 15 on a London server. :P That's how you deal with the ping issues.

[Lieutenant Daniel Past]

Just run the first 10 or 15 rounds on a New York server like AOD Perdition and then run the second set of 10 or 15 on a London server. :P That's how you deal with the ping issues.

A greenland server.

[Entity]

Btw its not wafflEz its wafflz

[GogettO]

Btw its not wafflEz its wafflz



:P

[agentoo8]

Trouble is there are so many highly skilled players to choose from, who are pretty evenly matched in terms of skill with their best class, but use very different styles.

What he said.
There's a lot of potential amongst the MB Community: some people may be very highly skilled, yet may not belong to a clan/not play very often.

[Mashirafen]

Hurray! I made Meta's list. :D

Anyways, here's mine (yes, I'm on it, but there's alternatives. Besides I made Meta's. :p):

Americans
Soldier: Prilladog
Elite Trooper: Xan (a medic), Numba 1 Stunna
Jedi/Sith: Me, Spellbound, Shao, Skittles
Hero/BH: Kovu (although, he's using a different name now,) Goose, Trenton Viehawhateveritis (yes, he can be an ass, but he IS good,) Deli Pastrami
Wookiee: Majeh, The Noble Gentleman Jewbacca
Clone: Trenton Viehawhateveritis
ARC/Mandalorian: Corsair
Droideka: Ford/Colt
SBD: ... I'm not sure, actually.

Why put a Brit in the American team?

[The Swashbuckler]

I vote Hic, the Westars god, for American manda. Xan for Jedi/Sith (he more than surprised me recently in terms of sheer dueling skill). Bob From Guam as wook, as he's pretty rockin' with a bowcaster. WCC is my vote for SBD, and of course I'd call Ford for a deka. Xeno for Elite Trooper - I have a hard time thinking of anybody else better with an E-11.

It isn't easy thinking of many people who still play very regularly and are genuinely great at the game, so much as at a specific class. But that's about the best list I can come up with. Most of my other choices seem to disappear for weeks at a time without much apparent reason.

[Yzmo]

I gotta recommend Binning as ET.. he's 1337...

[Entity]

I gotta recommend Binning as ET.. he's 1337...
Woah, that's the dumbest **** I've ever heard.

[agentoo8]

I recommend myself for all of those.

[AlphaFA]

I recommend myself as useless melee jedi.

[Metaguardian]

I'll be putting together a provisional squad for both American and European teams and also consulting people who actually have an opinion worth listening to (e.g. Andrew Past, Blunt, Gog, etc).:rolleyes: After the provisional squad is set, I'll hunt down all the players on the list and see if they can be available and we'll choose the final squads of 10-12 after that.

[agentoo8]

Lol Meta.
There's LOADS of decent players, and such people who are "worth listening to" are likely to be biased to their fellow 'L337 PLAY0RZ' >.<

[MAS]

You should ask clanless players to make a list Meta. That way it'll be less biased.

[Metaguardian]

And how many really skilled players 'in the know' are clanless? Very few, and I'm not leaving the squad selection up to people who may be less than capable.

[MAS]

And how many really skilled players 'in the know' are clanless? Very few, and I'm not leaving the squad selection up to people who may be less than capable.

Was just a idea. By the way, how would people in clans be more capable of saying who should be on a team? What you're saying is that you would be asking people who'd be on the list anyways (Gog for instance). Even though I do trust Gog (I do?! OMGosh), that's what I meant with the risk of being biased.

[Varlesh]

Pick me, my best score ever was 11:1 PLZ.

[agentoo8]

Pick me, my best score ever was 11:1 PLZ.

Indeed lol. I see the 'All-Stars' being picked due to good scores - if that's the case, SIGN ME UP!
And Meta, I see what you're saying - the majority of skilled players belong to some type of clan/group of players. However, I can name a few who do not belong to clans, and have just as adequate an opinion on choosing the 'All-Stars' as clan members.

I think the 'All-Stars' should be chosen after the Raging Battles Tourney, as opposed to Public Server performance: those who performed best in the Tourney will be allocated a place in the 'All-Stars' squad. Just my 2 Cents.

[Andrew Past]

And how many really skilled players 'in the know' are clanless?
Me. :p

[Zerobot1]

Really it'll be the biggest ego battle to date, I can only imagine the amount of bitching there'll be in the match.

[agentoo8]

Yeah indeed.
My view?
Theoretically - GOOD IDEA!
In practice? ESPECIALLY in the MB Community? Total and Utter Epic Fail.
I'm much rather looking forward to a 1v1 Saber Tournament... ;)

[><CHEWY><]

Really it'll be the biggest ego battle to date, I can only imagine the amount of bitching there'll be in the match.

Really, who cares? Will be good fun, tbh i'd rather have one with bitching and all that **** than not have one at all :p.

Also, since it's never been done before, who knows how it will go down? Personally i think it's worth a try.

I for one will be a sportsman about it (if i play) win or lose, and i know almost everyone else on the euro list will be, don't know any of the american players so i can't vouch for them. And really, will the dicks who will make it into an ego battle even get onto this list? For the euro part i can't see them doing that as long as lawler or moo don't play =p.

[agentoo8]

Lol Chewy.
Without at least some of the dV[8], our epic campaign to prove to the American Infidel that the European Community are superior will be in vain!

[Darc]

And how many really skilled players 'in the know' are clanless? Very few, and I'm not leaving the squad selection up to people who may be less than capable.


I am one of them :p

[MAS]

That's just because people don't like you and ur a newb Darc D: now, retire!

[Anonymus]

erm i smell elitism here...my opnion is that this "all stars" tournament like you call it is just a bad idea. becouse there are a lot of wearry skilled players (im not one of them), and theyr names arent in list. and tell me your opnion why are some players all stars and how you know it (score?). but if you want to do it its your time and do it if you want.

[RebelScum]

He can tell by their skill, experience, clans, blah blah blah.

The All-Stars thing sounds fun, but if you pick only certain Euros and Americans, there will be much anger among those who weren't picked.

I suggest that you do some sort of rotation in which players swap out and others swap in. I'm not sure if this is feasible even on a 32-slot server, but that's your problem.:p Hope this works out.:)

I'm rather disappointed you didn't put me down for Elitetroooper.:cry:

*ego*:|

[Remice]

Haha, this would be quite interesting. The list could use some work there Meta, but Im sure this would pump alot of interest to the community.

[Andrew Past]

Really it'll be the biggest ego battle to date, I can only imagine the amount of bitching there'll be in the match.
That's why a rule should be set up that if you talk at all during a live match, and you're not the Capitan of the team, then you get booted from the match. That system worked very well in other tournaments for other games that I've been a part of.

[Entity]

WooOOhooOoo I'm in the squad!!!111
Looking forwards to playing with Gog on the same team for once ;)

[agentoo8]

How can you know for definite you're in the Squad, lol?
Surely it will be judged on performance in the Tournament.
And yes, I agree with Xa4 - half the people on that "proposed" list I have never seen.

[siege]

skip the newbies, just do australia vs europe.

anywho, wafflz should definitely be on the american team, he's a beast.

[Corsair]

I am one of them :p

I would not consider you clanless.

[Entity]

Um agent, cuz i'm da best BH or euro mayb? :nervou
Also becouse I'm on edited list wiw Gog and Frogga already :s
And um, whachu got against it?
And um, I was the MVP of the first game (even though noone voted for me hehe, not even META who was yelling around for me being mvp)
And um, with Calidh not playing, I'll take MVP easy anyway.

[agentoo8]

Um entity, i agree bt u r no gud jedi? :nervou
Also Meta dunno evry euro :s
And um, i gt nothin against it?
And um, I didnt even play a proper game yet
And um, imma scoop those MVP awards tbh ;)

xD

[Entity]

Um i pwn ur jedi bitch bcuz i has much nu tactic and i awsum and I not for jedi but for scope :S:S
I also noticed ur signatur is wrongly colord heHEH

[Metaguardian]

skip the newbies, just do australia vs europe.

anywho, wafflz should definitely be on the american team, he's a beast.

The Australian All-Stars v dV[8] was epic.

[MAS]

Does Australia have any All-Stars? :o

[ninja burger]

this thread screams ego continentz

[Metaguardian]

Does Australia have any All-Stars? :o

The Thunder from Down Under has many of Australia's 'All-Stars' in it, although some of the best Australian players like Kenji, Phork (aka 'Fluff':rolleyes:), Kez and a few others don't play anymore.

EDIT: The provisional squad list for Americans has been updated.

[iYifftofix.]

Lol @ Adding to ego oppertunities.

[S1ck]

=
anywho, wafflz should definitely be on the american team, he's a beast. and wafflsz aka Radiance is also known for being an uppercut and a wallhacker as well as sucking at accusing people of wallhacking.

[Metaguardian]

He hasn't been an Uppercut in quite a long time and I'm very certain he doesn't use wallhacks anymore from personal observation among other things. But I do see your point, remember though, this is just a provisional squad, so this is not the final match group.

[Remice]

Battle of the egos, lets face it, Im the best at everything.

[S1ck]

Yeah,I agree Remice we can be a squad by ourselves! :p

[siege]

Does Australia have any All-Stars? :o

watch mbt00, unbelievable talent on display.

[Metaguardian]

watch mbt00, unbelievable talent on display.

Indeed, you never see Americans or the majority of Euros with that kind of skill.
Although mbt00 didn't feature me, so watch my upcoming frag vid.:x

[AgentX]

First off, this wont work at all. You cant just put the best players on a team and say "Go for it" This is a team based game, it doesnt matter for **** how good the people are if they cant work together its going to fail miserably.

But in the instance that it has any form of succeeding in the least, Id nominate S1ck to gain entry. Not only because he's one of the best players in general, but he was the best sniper in b18 and most of b19 before he stopped caring about mb2 at all lmao.


skip the newbies, just do australia vs europe.

anywho, wafflz should definitely be on the american team, he's a beast.

Right, thats not egotistical at all. If we're skipping the newbies, Dont bother posting in the topic anymore siege, kk thx bai.

[Metaguardian]

Firstly, the 'all-stars' team is not based on past builds, it's based on the current build. Secondly, S!ck is already on the provisional squad.

[siege]

Right, thats not egotistical at all.

Of course it's egotistical, but it's fairly obvious that the Europeans play the game much better than the Americans.


If we're skipping the newbies, Dont bother posting in the topic anymore siege, kk thx bai.

haha, who are you? I haven't heard of you before. Probably just another disgruntled scrubber 8<

[Metaguardian]

Of course it's egotistical, but it's fairly obvious that the Europeans play the game much better than the Americans.



haha, who are you? I haven't heard of you before. Probably just another disgruntled scrubber 8<

Chill out Siege, the all-stars and tournament matches will show which continent is better.;)

[siege]

im chilled

[ninja burger]

Europeans play the game much better than the Americans.
i lolled

[Corsair]

Of course it's egotistical, but it's fairly obvious that the Europeans play the game much better than the Americans.





No sir, you are mistaken.

[Metaguardian]

No sir, you are mistaken.

Actually the top European Mb2 teams of Team Poland, dv8, Crazy Hunters, Extermination Squad and DG would romp over even the best American teams.;)

[Corsair]

Actually the top European Mb2 teams of Team Poland, dv8, Crazy Hunters, Extermination Squad and DG would romp over even the best American teams.;)

Everyone keeps saying that, but I've played on Euro servers, I can hold my own against tP and DV8.

And DG and Extermination squad aren't even close.

[Metaguardian]

Everyone keeps saying that, but I've played on Euro servers, I can hold my own against tP and DV8.

And DG and Extermination squad aren't even close.

Hopefully the international grand final of the tournament and the American v European all-stars match will shed some light on this.:D

[HiC]

Hopefully the international grand final of the tournament and the American v European all-stars match will shed some light on this.:D

So...if one clan wins the Grand Finale, that would mean his representative continent is overall better than the loser's representative continent?

Sounds foolish. So, if a U.S. team, say DiTV, wins the Grand Finale, that means top North Americans are better than top Europeans. Or, if the Europeans win the Grand Finale, that means that top Europeans are better than top North Americans.


Actually the top European Mb2 teams of Team Poland, dv8, Crazy Hunters, Extermination Squad and DG would romp over even the best American teams.;)

Impeccable logic. If Team Poland won the tournament, DiTV could still be better than dv[8], DG, etc...and vice versa (insert Meta's top-picks for North American clans here). They just wouldn't be better than Team Poland.

So, really, this tournament won't decide ****.

Also, I think this thread should get back on topic...been derailed quite a bit.

[The Swashbuckler]

There are no Americans, there are no Euros! We're all MB2 players! We're all the same! Can't we all just get along!?



Joking or not, I have always failed to understand this whole Americans vs. Europeans thing. I started playing regularly back in B16, and still don't get where the hell it all started, or why. I coulda sworn that, back in the day (when the few of us around all played on the same servers), everyone was just kinda friends. Might just be my clouded, bright-and-sunny view of B16. But now that the mod is more popular and people are divided by pings, it does seem like the community's segregation server-wise has somehow turned into an outright rivalry - and an occasionally hilarious one, at that.

[Corsair]

There are no Americans, there are no Euros! We're all MB2 players! We're all the same! Can't we all just get along!?



Joking or not, I have always failed to understand this whole Americans vs. Europeans thing. I started playing regularly back in B16, and still don't get where the hell it all started, or why. I coulda sworn that, back in the day (when the few of us around all played on the same servers), everyone was just kinda friends. Might just be my clouded, bright-and-sunny view of B16. But now that the mod is more popular and people are divided by pings, it does seem like the community's segregation server-wise has somehow turned into an outright rivalry - and an occasionally hilarious one, at that.

Don't worry Shawn, we'll defeat them soundly at Yorktown, then send troops over when they get invaded.

[LewsTherin]

If someone believes they/someone else are better then X person in Y class, have them 1v1 or something rather then have long winded discussions on the forums about the subject that wont resolve anything.

[><CHEWY><]

I think the people who made comments asserting which continent is better, however right they may be =p, should just leave that stuff for the i told you so bull**** that happens after almost every match, just close the topic and PM the players and see if they're willing to play or not. As for asking for advice on who should play on an open community egotistical forum? Wake up =p

[siege]

Everyone keeps saying that, but I've played on Euro servers, I can hold my own against tP and DV8.

And DG and Extermination squad aren't even close.

haha, so what? that's public play. people's skills and talents should only be based on how they play in the competitive environment. I've seen many "good" pubheros get absolutely smashed in scrims.


Don't worry Shawn, we'll defeat them soundly at Yorktown, then send troops over when they get invaded.

You can thank the 10,000 French troops (and their commander, LaFayette) for that [;

[MAS]

Let The E-peen Battles Commence!

[GoodOlBen]

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:p

QFT my friend, QFT.

[agentoo8]

No offence Meta, but what's the point of updating the "Provisional Squad"?
There are many decent players out there who would relish the chance to play in the Squad, but I feel that you are merely excluding this component. Those who 'shine' in the Raging Battles Tourney are the dudes to go by.

[Rider on the Storm]

I recommend myself as a meat shield

[agentoo8]

Um i pwn ur jedi bitch bcuz i has much nu tactic and i awsum and I not for jedi but for scope :S:S
I also noticed ur signatur is wrongly colord heHEH


Nawwwwwww
Nawwwwwww
Not anymore heHEH

[·sev·]

Meta might have done a service for people who are in need of ego assertion and the like. One cannot expect to find any proper suggestions amongst mountains of ****. A needle in a haystack is the classical example! But in this case, the needle looks like the hay, so there's no possibility because only very gullible people would believe in the masses yelling a persons name in particular, instead of letting skill decide. As for as the tournament is concerned, i am sure it will show some skilled people playing, and i know very well most of the top EU players, and some grand good american duelers i like to hang with :-). I am with agent in this, even though i am not playing in the tournament, and likewise with many other people, the tournament is a clear cut decisive mechanism since it doesn't need to assert it's ego and thereby cloud it's judgement.

Gameplay can decide without any self-biased opinions and clan-biased opinions.
Look at the demo's of the games, etc.

There are many who need to hide behind their scores to prove the fact that they are good, but in reality, they just find the easiest opponents and never really grow as players. Instead they go on asserting their ego's. It shows very clearly. Besides, you really shouldn't care wether or not people think you're good. Just prove them wrong, just play the game, is that not why you're here??

I am beginning to think otherwise. Many many people are taking the game too seriously, and when i say that, i mean exactly this: People use MB2 to assert their ego's, because they don't have any other 'devices' / 'opportunities' To assert it, therefore it brings them ego joy when they got a good score.
They become drunk with ego joy, and the feeling that i am better than you.
HOLIER THAN THOU, if you will. So many people can't help but over do this whole madness scheme, can't you see the irrelevance, nobody really cares how good or bad you are. The whole joy for me in this game is friends, it is true that in the past i would also assert my ego and feel drunk with joy when i pwnted everybody and came out on top although the odds were against it. But really, i was just hiding the fact that i was not really the ego. It was playing tricks with me and i realized it. Now the past is no more, the future will never come, because when the future comes, it is NOW. The reality is now. And now, nobody cares wether you kill or die, it's a game, and life is also a game, a cosmic joke :D.


So i am saying that for alot of people, mb2 is a device to assert their ego's.
That's the main reason why alot of people just stick around. They stick around to 'pwn noobs'. Really they are just hiding the misery. But what can i do, but laugh at them, and feel compassion towards them, hoping that their deluded desires would perish...



-PEACE OUT!

(SeV)

[agentoo8]

Meta might have done a service for people who are in need of ego assertion and the like. One cannot expect to find any proper suggestions amongst mountains of ****. A needle in a haystack is the classical example! But in this case, the needle looks like the hay, so there's no possibility because only very gullible people would believe in the masses yelling a persons name in particular, instead of letting skill decide. As for as the tournament is concerned, i am sure it will show some skilled people playing, and i know very well most of the top EU players, and some grand good american duelers i like to hang with :-). I am with agent in this, even though i am not playing in the tournament, and likewise with many other people, the tournament is a clear cut decisive mechanism since it doesn't need to assert it's ego and thereby cloud it's judgement.

Gameplay can decide without any self-biased opinions and clan-biased opinions.
Look at the demo's of the games, etc.

There are many who need to hide behind their scores to prove the fact that they are good, but in reality, they just find the easiest opponents and never really grow as players. Instead they go on asserting their ego's. It shows very clearly. Besides, you really shouldn't care wether or not people think you're good. Just prove them wrong, just play the game, is that not why you're here??

I am beginning to think otherwise. Many many people are taking the game too seriously, and when i say that, i mean exactly this: People use MB2 to assert their ego's, because they don't have any other 'devices' / 'opportunities' To assert it, therefore it brings them ego joy when they got a good score.
They become drunk with ego joy, and the feeling that i am better than you.
HOLIER THAN THOU, if you will. So many people can't help but over do this whole madness scheme, can't you see the irrelevance, nobody really cares how good or bad you are. The whole joy for me in this game is friends, it is true that in the past i would also assert my ego and feel drunk with joy when i pwnted everybody and came out on top although the odds were against it. But really, i was just hiding the fact that i was not really the ego. It was playing tricks with me and i realized it. Now the past is no more, the future will never come, because when the future comes, it is NOW. The reality is now. And now, nobody cares wether you kill or die, it's a game, and life is also a game, a cosmic joke :D.


So i am saying that for alot of people, mb2 is a device to assert their ego's.
That's the main reason why alot of people just stick around. They stick around to 'pwn noobs'. Really they are just hiding the misery. But what can i do, but laugh at them, and feel compassion towards them, hoping that their deluded desires would perish...



-PEACE OUT!

(SeV)

So f**king true.
Quoted for truth.

[Part-T]

*worships at the alter of sevs knowledge*

[agentoo8]

It's true though, mate.

[Metaguardian]

I might just change the format to the all-stars being 'the best players in the tournament' with a few other non-tournament players (e.g. Andrew Past, etc). Might make it a little less contentious.

[S1ck]

Of course it's egotistical, but it's fairly obvious that the Europeans play the game much better than the Americans.



haha, who are you? I haven't heard of you before. Probably just another disgruntled scrubber 8<

And siege tbh I've never heard of you either other then looking at your stupid ego posts everytime you say something. its always "Pubs mean ****" "Europeans own americans" Well dude.. pls shut up its a game who cares?? its for fun not so you can ego off it. I rather do something with my life than care about a game.I rather chill with people while owning some nubs then have a very srs bsness match to decide whos better at mb2. pls get over your egoness and stfu I am sorry its just so annoying to see you post time after time about who's better or egoing.


/endrage

On topic this is turning into exactly what everyone said it will into a ego fest(like it wasn't to begin with)I might get put on the roster and will gladly play but I bet it will just turn into smack talk and will get no where.

[LewsTherin]

Or you could go teamchats only and never know.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Make it so the people who get player of the match the most times goes into the squad. Simple.

[agentoo8]

I might just change the format to the all-stars being 'the best players in the tournament' with a few other non-tournament players (e.g. Andrew Past, etc). Might make it a little less contentious.

If such a tournament takes place, that is probably the most fair way of organising the teams imo.

[Dakorian]

No matter what teams are picked someone is going to get their feelings hurt and Meta is going to look like the bad guy.

In my honest opinion perhaps we should have two or three different all star games to accomadate all the people in the community we think are good.

Also we could give each forum member five votes which they can use on any person. The individuals with the most votes get to be on the team.

There must be a way to do this without pissing anyone off.

[agentoo8]

No matter what teams are picked someone is going to get their feelings hurt and Meta is going to look like the bad guy.

In my honest opinion perhaps we should have two or three different all star games to accomadate all the people in the community we think are good.

Also we could give each forum member five votes which they can use on any person. The individuals with the most votes get to be on the team.

There must be a way to do this without pissing anyone off.

Good proposition.

[siege]

And siege tbh I've never heard of you either other then looking at your stupid ego posts everytime you say something. its always "Pubs mean ****" "Europeans own americans" Well dude.. pls shut up its a game who cares?? its for fun not so you can ego off it. I rather do something with my life than care about a game.I rather chill with people while owning some nubs then have a very srs bsness match to decide whos better at mb2. pls get over your egoness and stfu I am sorry its just so annoying to see you post time after time about who's better or egoing.


/endrage

On topic this is turning into exactly what everyone said it will into a ego fest(like it wasn't to begin with)I might get put on the roster and will gladly play but I bet it will just turn into smack talk and will get no where.

o sry sick, didnt mean 2 offen u brah. if u so sensitive over the interwebz u shud tell peeps before u get offended for bein called a newb 8<

[Entity]

watchhhout siege s1ck is vry mental!!1

[><CHEWY><]

No matter what teams are picked someone is going to get their feelings hurt and Meta is going to look like the bad guy.

In my honest opinion perhaps we should have two or three different all star games to accomadate all the people in the community we think are good.

Also we could give each forum member five votes which they can use on any person. The individuals with the most votes get to be on the team.

There must be a way to do this without pissing anyone off.

That's a good idea actually, the way it worked for the nations cup in tf2 was that everyone would apply either on their own or in groups of 2 (if working together clanmates), and they put down their class and they would all be drafted into like 4 teams and they'd play each other, and the winning team became team england or team france or whatever it was, but i doubt the effort would be put in to that was, was a surprisingly sucessful and fair way though :>

[Entity]

Yeah, let's make a new MVP tournament out of this :rolleyes

[Entity]

I really wonder why people in this community can't seem to be able to agree on any idea at all, but have to throw in their brainstorm ideas, not that it's bad, but it's somewhat frustrating for the one in charge of these ideas.

[><CHEWY><]

Just sugguestions.. :p

And hey, this is a continent match, i reckon the community in general would be more interested to see Europe vs America (very questionable) first teams =p, play each other than 2 clans which alot of the community don't know much about in general..amarite? I know i'd be more interested to see a nations cup in mb2 than a clan cup, even when team 3 was relativeley sucessful i reckon i would of preferred it to another mb2tournament.

[Entity]

I mean, I do somewhat agree with your idea don't get me wrong, but there again, there'd have to be the "best" team of EU vs the "best" team of US, meaning people wouldn't fight about not playing, but about being in the best (the actual MVP) team. Becouse with all these said, I still think generally best euros should play generally best yanks, objectively speaking, hard to say there, but people generally know who actually is really good, and who's just mouthing around anyway.

[Palin]

Best american team versus best European team?
Deal.
UPPERCUTS vrs <anyone>

I think you should also add in some less-then-best so that more can participate, like an intermediate scale match and a nubby scale match.

[Metaguardian]

Best american team versus best European team?
Deal.
UPPERCUTS vrs <anyone>

I think you should also add in some less-then-best so that more can participate, like an intermediate scale match and a nubby scale match.

The Uppercuts suck. Let's see them play without their little exploits and hacks for once and then maybe we'd have a fair match.

[Numba 1 Stunna]

No they don't, but okay.

[S1ck]

He hasn't been an Uppercut in quite a long time and I'm very certain he doesn't use wallhacks anymore from personal observation among other things. But I do see your point, remember though, this is just a provisional squad, so this is not the final match group.

If Radiance can be "good" without his little exploits/wallhacks which i bet he still uses anyways I am pretty sure the uppercuts can be good without them aswell so before you say they suck think about it.

[Part-T]

after reading much of this and being amused i thought i'd post my thoughts on the matter....
What this comes down to is not a best euro players vs best american players match but a people that meta (or whoever he delegates to) thinks are the best/likes the most match. Its unavoidable but there you go, no point getting your ego bent out of shape, if meta (or whoever) doesnt play on the same servers as you you're not gonna get noticed no matter how good you are. Even if it came down to a public vote it still wouldnt help, it'd just become a popularity contest.
The only way to really find out who is the best of the best would be to hold one on ones between everyone that plays but that just isnt gonna happen.


or alternatively we could all go outside, see how far we can p*ss up the wall, measure it and whoever is the highest wins.



PS i got 12 foot, but a little bit landed on my shoe, does it still count!?

[Victin Halcyon]

You can have an all-star match as long as you don't take the results as Gospel. A tournament such as this one simply can't be representative of who the best players are as there are some people in the population who are amazing but prefer to stay out of the public eye.

That being said, I'm surprised HiC is being overlooked so much. He's the only guy in the game who I can honestly say has inhuman accuracy. It's a level you can't reach through practice -- he was born with it.

[Palin]

HiCs accuracy is just pure BS, agreed. Fought him 1v1 earlier and couldn't beat him to save my life..

Really bruised my pride. But he was using his fagdalorian class.

[Part-T]

dont worry, i'm sure you can wee higher than him so you win :p

[prilladog]

dont worry, i'm sure you can wee higher than him so you win :p

I love you Part-T :D:p:D

[AgentX]

HiCs accuracy is just pure BS, agreed. Fought him 1v1 earlier and couldn't beat him to save my life..

Really bruised my pride. But he was using his fagdalorian class.

Hes got good aim but its not god-like...If im right he uses Mando alot of the time and Westars have dead on accuracy, Not trying to bash you HiC im just saying that its not hard to have good aim with westars or most pistols in general.

[Victin Halcyon]

Hes got good aim but its not god-like...If im right he uses Mando alot of the time and Westars have dead on accuracy, Not trying to bash you HiC im just saying that its not hard to have good aim with westars or most pistols in general.

It is when you're drawing erratic, random patterns in the air with the jetpack and headshotting guys at the length of the main corridor.

I'm not trying to suck up to him, but at the same time I feel I'm a competent player on my better days and I can't hold a candle to him. If you ever end up facing him, I'm sure you'll see what I mean.

[AgentX]

I have faced him in gunfights and won...As I said he's not godlike, gunning is all about the right amount of aim and strafing while dodging ect. And nah, im a good mando with westars too for the sole reason that their dead accurate, Which is why I prefer ee3, its funner :D

Plus, after the CoR Tournament my clan is matching HiCs so that'll be fun, Maybe the days ive played pubs with him he hasnt put effort in but i usually alias for things like that anyway lol.

[Aezeroth]

Aliases are for the weak.

[Palin]

AgentX, I'm going to put this out here plain and simple, because it's simple truth. No matter how good you are with westars, you'll never be as good as HiC.

He's not impossible to beat, no. But I'd love to see you go up against him on a server 1v1 just you and him, your best class against his. I'll bet anything that if he goes all out you won't stand a chance.

I pride myself in my ability to aim a gun, and I know I'm good with them, but HiC's just on a whole different level, kind of like Pavi, but Pavi's skill is spread across a ton of different classes.

[Entity]

Yes it's somewhat hard to beat a good westar mando with 200 hp with anything else, may it be ET or whatever, I'd take the challenge becouse of my ego buffing out, but sadly I'm euro and can't get a fair duel out of it ;]

[Palin]

Well, I've not really scoped out the European players, but I've fought pretty much every American there is to fight, and some of them are good, but not that good.

[Entity]

And that's when we come and say that euro overall has more talented playerz den america does

[Palin]

Now don't go and start that again. You may believe what you like, and we'll believe what we like, and it'll be all good, yeah?

[Entity]

okaaaaaaaaaaaay np

[AgentX]

AgentX, I'm going to put this out here plain and simple, because it's simple truth. No matter how good you are with westars, you'll never be as good as HiC.

He's not impossible to beat, no. But I'd love to see you go up against him on a server 1v1 just you and him, your best class against his. I'll bet anything that if he goes all out you won't stand a chance.

I pride myself in my ability to aim a gun, and I know I'm good with them, but HiC's just on a whole different level, kind of like Pavi, but Pavi's skill is spread across a ton of different classes.


You also thought the same about other things you've been proven wrong about, but thats in the past and doesnt need to be brought up.
Your entitled to your opinion, And I'd love to 1v1 with him. Hell going Jedi would make that complete cake honestly, Mando's are very predictable and easy to saber. And as far as gunning is concerned, a Sold would work marvelously due to the fact that their E11 most definitely does more damage than an average one.

[siege]

someone should start some sign up threads, so that those who are interested can put their name, favourite class, best available times, etc. from there, captains can be chosen, who will then be in charge of picking the rest of their team (+2-4 subs) and sort out a time with the other continent's captain.

[Aezeroth]

You also thought the same about other things you've been proven wrong about, but thats in the past and doesnt need to be brought up.
Your entitled to your opinion, And I'd love to 1v1 with him. Hell going Jedi would make that complete cake honestly, Mando's are very predictable and easy to saber. And as far as gunning is concerned, a Sold would work marvelously due to the fact that their E11 most definitely does more damage than an average one.

Just settle this on a server please, you and him.

[Varlesh]

You also thought the same about other things you've been proven wrong about, but thats in the past and doesnt need to be brought up.
Your entitled to your opinion, And I'd love to 1v1 with him. Hell going Jedi would make that complete cake honestly, Mando's are very predictable and easy to saber. And as far as gunning is concerned, a Sold would work marvelously due to the fact that their E11 most definitely does more damage than an average one.

If you seen hic play you would know hes anything but preditable vs jedi. Anyways enough Hic arselicking for one thread. And since when does the soldier E-11 do more damage? News to me ;P

[Entity]

wazaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Phelps]

My only reply to this is.. Europeans > Americans.. :p

[AgentX]

haha varlesh. Yeah man, easiest way to tell theres a difference is by looking at the blaster shots themselves. The sold shots are thicker, wider, and just look more damaging. Like how pistol 3 used to be for example, before the shot was changed around. Its not something that i really noticed until i kept getting killed by solds in gunfights, because im a pretty damn good E11 user myself and in gunfights i can hold my own well with it, but solds..its just a hell of a lot stronger, then i used sold more and tried the gun out for myself, and yea man it kills **** real fast lol.

[Varlesh]

haha varlesh. Yeah man, easiest way to tell theres a difference is by looking at the blaster shots themselves. The sold shots are thicker, wider, and just look more damaging. Like how pistol 3 used to be for example, before the shot was changed around. Its not something that i really noticed until i kept getting killed by solds in gunfights, because im a pretty damn good E11 user myself and in gunfights i can hold my own well with it, but solds..its just a hell of a lot stronger, then i used sold more and tried the gun out for myself, and yea man it kills **** real fast lol.

Your wrong im afraid, they get a normal E-11 just like everyone else.

[Veshzan]

Your wrong im afraid, they get a normal E-11 just like everyone else.

Nah your wrong, Just like sith r faster then jedi and blue + forward gives you a speed boost!

[AgentX]

Your wrong im afraid, they get a normal E-11 just like everyone else.

You can believe what you like im not going to argue it.

[Varlesh]

You can believe what you like im not going to argue it.

Its not what I believe. Itsa fact. Yours is what you believe. :P

<@Varlesh> do soldiers get a more powerful e-11?
<@Ace-_Ventura> no
<@Varlesh> I swear they dont
<@Varlesh> agent seems to think they do
<@Ace-_Ventura> and i assure you they don't

[FrAeK]

You can believe what you like im not going to argue it.

Soldiers may seem like that because they are slower and therefore gives the user slightly better aim imo. Also only people who have been playing a while normally play sold, its not the sort of class that attracted someone new to the game in the first place.

[AgentX]

Its not what I believe. Itsa fact. Yours is what you believe. :P

<@Varlesh> do soldiers get a more powerful e-11?
<@Ace-_Ventura> no
<@Varlesh> I swear they dont
<@Varlesh> agent seems to think they do
<@Ace-_Ventura> and i assure you they don't

If you dont believe it, then it doesnt really matter now does it?
You just proved something you dont even care about, go outside.

[Varlesh]

I'm very sorry for correcting your mistake agentx, I will try not be helpful next time.
Btw, what does going outside got anything to do with the E-11 soldiers ;s

[AceVentura]

I don't know where you got that crazy idea that soldiers get a special E-11 (besides the model). Let me show you the code of the E-11 blaster firing function:

void WP_FireBlasterMissile( gentity_t *ent, vec3_t start, vec3_t dir, qboolean altFire, int nMethodOfDeath){
...
case MOD_BLASTER:
{
// E-11
if(altFire)
{
damage = 24;//g_E11AltDamage.integer;//26;
velocity = 3500;//g_E11AltVelocity.value;
}
else
{
if(ent->client->cClassAttributes[MB_ATT_BLASTER] == FORCE_LEVEL_3)
{
damage = 26;//g_E11L3Damage.integer; // Only level 3 E-11 primary gets a damage boost.
}
else
{
damage = 26;
}

velocity = 3500;//g_E11Velocity.value;
}
break;
}
...}
If you can see anything related with the soldier class there, then show me.

[Numba 1 Stunna]

Agent, why would you try to bring something up as ridiculous as a soldier getting a more powerful E-11? It's like trying to prove that Noah took two of every species on the planet and put them on a boat.

[AgentX]

Im just gonna go sit and hide and pretend I never put such an idea out into the public then got disproved with a swift backhand :P

...*hides*...