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Went on a server with an alias, was TKed constantly by people I know and play with regularly, right from the first round playing. What is wrong with you people? Can't play nice with anyone you don't recognize? No wonder no one who still plays JK3 likes MBII except the existing players. Meh.
omegacloud
04-05-2008, 08:17
lol, welcome to mb2
The Swashbuckler
04-05-2008, 08:29
Who do you know who TK's random noobs?
All the players I know make a point of only TKing people they know. ("People they know" can be understood to be me in most cases.)
Well what do you expect? There is seldomly any new blood flowing into this community because of people like that, so what the community is based on is people that have played for ages and then they quit and less and less people keep playing per build.
Honestly if there was a way to induct the noobs to the game and make them feel more welcome so they dont immedietly /rage after their first time playing, and could get a feel of the game better im sure the community in general would improve. But with how things are now and how you described playing, i dont think it'll happen anytime soon. :(
Metaguardian
04-05-2008, 08:37
Honestly there are times when the stupidity and childish viciousness of the community make me want to /quit the game forever. But then I remember CoR, the nice people in the game, and how much fun I have playing it, and I put those thoughts in my mind's waste disposal unit.
FrenchFry
04-05-2008, 08:42
WAAAAH! You're playing an online game. Deal with it or leave.
iYifftofix.
04-05-2008, 08:46
This makes Zorse sad.
(Ben is class, Lee.)
Thundercats are on the loose!
Xa4, that was your 1337'th post.
There are two types of people causing your problems: trolls and 10 year old kids.
Lesson 1: It's mb2, as people noticed couple posts above.
Lesson 2: Don't play under fake nick name.
Lesson 3: Still remember, that is mb2.
EDIT: Yaarr, Xa4 - don't ever submit any more posts, coz u will mess up your post wyniki!
DaveGrohl
04-05-2008, 12:39
Thundercats are on the loose!
rwaaar
the guys got a point, imo the community is to imature to play a teamgame. i find ppl play for comedy more than trying to do anything constructive. i think this game NEEDS friendly fire asap. ive been tked by nuby gunners 6 times in 10 rounds so far, and i just started playing again..
the fact is they dont learn, and the tking punishment is about as useful as the twat that just repaired my motorbike at the garage.
Lesson 1: It's mb2, as people noticed couple posts above.
Lesson 2: Don't play under fake nick name.
Lesson 3: Still remember, that is mb2.
EDIT: Yaarr, Xa4 - don't ever submit any more posts, coz u will mess up your post wyniki!
gog... why bother posting this. we know what the game is it used to be alot nicer but we need to take it into are own hands and actually provent the tking. mb isnt just for ****z n giggles......and wallhacking..
If you get teamkilled by people you like when playing under an alias, just stop liking them. Get real friends (and watch people you like in MBII carefully to be sure you can trust them), not random MB kids.
one of the best things to know anyone is to see how he acts with a stranger, that applyes to mb2. I dont trust people that go tking/insulting/etc someone that they dont know
just get over it, not everybody will be nice :O
Stormi, including friendly fire will ruin this game, did you even saw <any_popular_tdm_game_here> where people played with turned FF on? I don't. Yeah, ofc. many games has possibility to play with FF, but at most recent/skilled/whatever servers it's turned off.
First of all, we must notice that we're talking all time about public games, and what's public games at mb2? It's just assemblage of fraghungry, non brained people and noobs too, yes. Most people don't care about others during playing. It's just like fighting with fans, or kicking with horse - we'll never win in that case, even with improved TK system.
Second thing: I agree, my first post didn't bring on anything wise or useful but well, it's intresting that somebody taken that seriously :)
Tallfire
04-05-2008, 18:03
It would be nice to have some new players. lol, the only reason I stayed to play MBII is because I started off going to the CoR and DSi servers. Hey, they looked inviting.
I seldomly get tked regardless of what my nick is, but there tends to be a bit of the `ole revenge sabering from people who gets viciously annoyed by me accidentally hitting them. Too bad secondarys aren`t as good anymore, since whipping one of them out used to scare any misbehavers from further maliciousness :p
GenTronSeven
04-05-2008, 18:36
Counter Strike servers with the tk mod that lets the person who was tked decide the punishment usually don't have tking problems, although I don't really play counter strike very often.
I think with a similar system movie battles could be the same.
Hey, I take my thunder cat whoring seriously thank you very much!
Anyways, this is MBII. Always have been TKers because of a lot of the older members of the community think they're better then the rest of the community. Some new player does something wrong and instantly the e-fags start attacking the hell out of them because they know the person they're e-fighting can't do **** to stop them from killing 'em. Don't understand why people can't just enjoy the game like the rest of the community and why the older players from B16 and 17 have to prove that their e-**** is enormous. :P 'Nough said.
I am TKd semiregularly...but only because I am careless with explosives :o
I have seen some pretty senseless TKs around though.
...but has anyone ever stolen your clan tags? I was not pleased when that happened to me.
Do We play the same game ? :O
In my opinion MB2 community is great, full of nice people, and rich in good players. Of course intentional tking happens, there are also players that just fool around ( You know - camping the pit, dancing, playing a spy, ghosting your team, brawling, drawing flowers on walls ;*) - but it's not a big problem imo. Maybe unlocking public voting could help in some excessive sittuations. Anyway we should not whine - "Z0MG TKERS LAMERS NOOB ThIS CoMmunity IS MADE OF FAIL !!!!!111 " - because it's not like that. MB2 community is cool, funny, full of sportsmanship, peace and everlasting LOVE <3 :D This is just how I see it - maybe it has something to with the fact that I mostly play at night - I don't know. I've played many games, seen a lot of laming - in comparison to them MB2 is nothing less than OK.
Well, when a certain group of players enjoys making asses of themselves then that's when you know that a community has gone to hell. In all honestly, this community has been hell since B19.
Welcome to Movie Battles 2, would you like fries with that whine? :P
I'm just kidding.... But yeah seriously. That's how half the community is...It's really sad >.>
*praises the new tking system*
If U Tk 1 Time Even If It Is 1 Dmg U Shud B Ban
All this game needs is a Tk punishment system that really hurts. You can see from most peoples ****talk that their parents failed hard at raising them, actually make that count for all onlinegames. It's the main reason games need systems to punish those retarded kids. It's sad, but that's the way it has to be.
Deathspike
04-05-2008, 20:05
Yeah but what about those idiot Jedi's who suddenly run into your line of fire after standing still for a full minute, then blaming you for the TK? :P
Do We play the same game ? :O
In my opinion MB2 community is great, full of nice people, and rich in good players. Of course intentional tking happens, there are also players that just fool around ( You know - camping the pit, dancing, playing a spy, ghosting your team, brawling, drawing flowers on walls ;*) - but it's not a big problem imo. Maybe unlocking public voting could help in some excessive sittuations. Anyway we should not whine - "Z0MG TKERS LAMERS NOOB ThIS CoMmunity IS MADE OF FAIL !!!!!111 " - because it's not like that. MB2 community is cool, funny, full of sportsmanship, peace and everlasting LOVE <3 :D This is just how I see it - maybe it has something to with the fact that I mostly play at night - I don't know. I've played many games, seen a lot of laming - in comparison to them MB2 is nothing less than OK.
That's exactly why I mainly play on the CPCP People's Server server. Nice atmosphere due to public voting. Although the voting system could be improved, it is definitely useful.
Mashirafen
04-05-2008, 20:15
I never get tked or yelled at, aliased or not, wherever I play.
TBH I agree oommmcc, I find this to be a very friendly, sociable community compared to others.
Riles Lek
04-05-2008, 20:24
...but has anyone ever stolen your clan tags? I was not pleased when that happened to me.
I was accused of bringing down that clan in b17 (I can't remember the name but "Brightness" and "Darkness" (I think) were in it)...
Yes, I stole a few clan tags in B17, but that's it. And I think the community isn't as good as it was in B17, but it's getting there (IMO).
-=Amit=-
04-05-2008, 20:43
I very rarely see people who TK their team. I see spammers and crashers, yes, but less of people who just TK everyone.
I do see, however, every day, quite a few idiots who like to TD/rocket/nade Jedi getting their entire team TK'ed and getting away with it with no PP's or any kind of punishment.
Or idiots who go to the pit at DOTF and stay there all around doing nothing.
Or the "Force-whores" who camp throne all round waiting for their team to die and then getting owned by an entire reb army (of course it's an entire army alive, they didn't help fight them!).
The list goes on and on. I don't see people intentionally TKing very often, but idiots who ruin the game? very often.
The only time when I have problems with tking is when im mucking around with someone I know :P
Wytchking
04-05-2008, 20:57
I've met a few of the stupid Tkers in this community but generally I don't get Tked much unless I'm stupid. I mean I once managed to push a TD that wiped out my whole team (how we couldn't work out as it surely shouldnt have had the range it did) and no one batted an eyelid after I apologised.
Numba 1 Stunna
04-05-2008, 21:05
TK'ing is where it's at.
Well I started to speak Czech on some server with mate (I think Blo).. Some French started to spam with binds like: Ruin ur life? Be a Polak.. Funny that on the server were lots of tp.. What happens? The only one who has the reason to TK was me or someone from tp.. NR French guy TK me with comment: Gotcha polish ****ing tard.. Admins nowhere.. Well wtf?
I dunno what some people have against polish players? And these idiots can't even recognize Czech/Polish.. Funny if someone calls me Polish tard.. I am just laughing at them..
I don't get it..
When I came to MBII like two years ago everything was fine.. Since b19 itsa crap.. BUT.. I found very good playing on MB Universe DG and DSi.. Always there people I know, people who are cool etc..
Still I don't think community is crap.. MBII is the only mp game I am playing for a while.. I am enjoying it rly..:p
Sorry for mistakes.. Not good in EN.. :(
Victin Halcyon
04-05-2008, 22:09
Stay away from the bigger, more popular servers. I never touch Pandemonium and Pridelands, and if I have to, I turn off public chat.
I only play in smaller American servers and it's so much better. MB Academy's my favourite - server capacity of 10 people. Maybe your friends aren't there but there's a lot less TKing and ****-talking. The only difference is that the players aren't as good, generally, so you might not find it challenging.
Honestly there are times when the stupidity and childish viciousness of the community make me want to /quit the game forever. But then I remember CoR, the nice people in the game, and how much fun I have playing it, and I put those thoughts in my mind's waste disposal unit.
Give me a break.
Mr.Green
04-05-2008, 22:23
yea i remember back in b18 there wasn't as much **** going around as b19-RC!
Mashirafen
04-05-2008, 22:32
yea i remember back in b18 there wasn't as much **** going around as b19-RC!
I remember back in B18 I had skills. :cry:
I never get tked unless I'm having fun with ppl who actualy like getting tortured. xD
Either way the Penalty system is fine and so is the rest of MB2, just join the good servers not the bad. There are plenty of other servers out there!
Either way you're just a simple hothead who doesn't like to lose.
the messing around has always been there (at least from b17) but i dont see the prob with that
one of the biggest problems IMO is the lack of good administranting in 99% of the servers. Its either totally unadministrated or abused. The best servers are the ones administrated, thats all.
most people is nice, but when there is a jackass, he can **** up the game of 15 people alone, that should be the moment where the admin acts
yea i remember back in b18 there wasn't as much **** going around as b19-RC!
This was sarcasm wasn't it? I mean, why the hell do people keep refering to the earlier builds being godlike. B15 'vets', Omgosh, B15 was the best! B16 'vets', OMGOSH, B16 was THE BUILD! B17 'newbs', OMGOSH, B17 HAD SO LITTLE BUGS (:rolleyes:). B18 'newbs', OMGOSH, B18 REALLY WAS THE BOMB! I LIEKED IET! (:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:)
It's bollocks in my opinion. People who keep reffering to the elder builds are just the people who cannot keep up with the progress the Team is putting into this mod.
=Someone=
04-05-2008, 23:51
It's bollocks in my opinion. People who keep reffering to the elder builds are just the people who cannot keep up with the progress the Team is putting into this mod.
A lot of people simply had their best time in MB2 with certain builds for various reason; be it that more like-minded people played then, or their skill was at a peak, or just that the build catered better to their style - unless people start to create their own b-whatever servers, it's just nostalgia, nothing wrong with that.
Azuvector
05-05-2008, 01:24
No wonder no one who still plays JK3 likes MBII except the existing players. Meh.
Probably pretty true, as reasons go.
Still play Q4, Doll? Duel you sometime?
RC1s more...controversial changes drove a lot of the old players out. When a favourite class gets accidentally gutted out there are bound to be repercussions, and losing a lot of the more mature players was one of them.
Metaguardian
05-05-2008, 01:53
What 'controversial changes'? The only significant changes in terms of gameplay to RC1 was the sabering system, and after hearing the justifiable whining of B19's 'zomg perfect block and AP whoring is too easy' I would have thought RC1 was a welcome improvement.
What 'controversial changes'?
The uber nerf of jedi defense and the belittling of the IDR system.
Make no mistake, I'm not referring to the sabering changes, which I love.
RC1s more...controversial changes drove a lot of the old players out. When a favourite class gets accidentally gutted out there are bound to be repercussions, and losing a lot of the more mature players was one of them.
Rant rant! :p
That's kinda fixed atm.
Lieutenant Daniel Past
05-05-2008, 03:38
the only TKers i see are 10 yr old brats. because when i ask them something about puberty they get the answer 100% wrong and haven't been playing mb11 more than 2 builds max
TBH I'm a "b15 vet" and I actualy like rc1 the best but the ppl from b18 and b19 kinda ruin rc1. so a good admin a couple new classes and some friends will make this game awesome
oh and the only time I've meant to TK some one is when he was going after one of my friends
Do We play the same game ? :O
In my opinion MB2 community is great, full of nice people, and rich in good players. Of course intentional tking happens, there are also players that just fool around ( You know - camping the pit, dancing, playing a spy, ghosting your team, brawling, drawing flowers on walls ;*) - but it's not a big problem imo. Maybe unlocking public voting could help in some excessive sittuations. Anyway we should not whine - "Z0MG TKERS LAMERS NOOB ThIS CoMmunity IS MADE OF FAIL !!!!!111 " - because it's not like that. MB2 community is cool, funny, full of sportsmanship, peace and everlasting LOVE <3 :D This is just how I see it - maybe it has something to with the fact that I mostly play at night - I don't know. I've played many games, seen a lot of laming - in comparison to them MB2 is nothing less than OK.
Wait... what?
You can't be serious.
because when i ask them something about puberty they get the answer 100% wrong and haven't been playing mb11 more than 2 builds max
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
He means that every TKer he meets, he engages in conversation of genitalia.
I do, with absolutely everyone i meet.
I've never personally encountered the nasty side to the community, i do only tend to play on euro servers and the odd time i've been on US ones is with other people i know. Generally the worst there seems to be is light hearted banter between people who do know each other along with the other general daftness and most people seem willing to help any n00bz that come along. When a tker does show up they tend to get mocked by everyone and kicked.
I've always wondered, why do people alias anyway? :p
PS hows your winky?
On another note, where's my sandwich woman? Get back in the kitchen.
Numba 1 Stunna
05-05-2008, 06:39
I've always wondered, why do people alias anyway? :pSo they don't connect to a server to play and get talked to by retarded fools who think that because they've said "hello" to you that you automatically should know who they are. I really can't stand it.
Or just to observe other people.
I do it personally cause I like to get the feel of the game before i un-alias, wouldnt wanna make myself look completely retarded if i play really really badly lol. Or if ive got lag/mb2 problems ect, its basically just a safety.
I alias simply to blend in and not be bothered. Not that I'm important by any means, but I've been around since B15, so I'm known enough that it can be annoying sometimes.
I alias simply to blend in and not be bothered. Not that I'm important by any means, but I've been around since B15, so I'm known enough that it can be annoying sometimes.
I havent been able to have a proper game without an alias since b17 personally. Around that time some kiddies decided its fun to lame the developers.
Russian_Spy_Porque
05-05-2008, 08:39
I havent been able to have a proper game without an alias since b17 personally. Around that time some kiddies decided its fun to lame the developers.
lol... what did they do go: "Fix the mod!" *Teamkills* ???
I havent been able to have a proper game without an alias since b17 personally. Around that time some kiddies decided its fun to lame the developers.
Good times.
lol... what did they do go: "Fix the mod!" *Teamkills* ???
More like spamming racial slurs, screaming about how sh1t the mod is, insulting family, calling us all wankers, etc etc.
I'm gonna say Hello to Stunna and pretend I know him.
Alias? I've used it a few times but I get discovered easely. Either way MB2 has always been serious and not serious even back before b16 there was tking and such. ( I remember Acidus pushing me off once at the Hotel map 'tk' ) However at a tk or two you also play serious which brings some kind of twisted fun... :rolleyes:
Mr.Green
05-05-2008, 14:08
i like all builds i just thought b18 was a fun build e.e
Team members (except Ace :p ) are pretty welcome at DG server.
Even Ace is but he doesn't realise it
Even Ace is but he doesn't realise it
I smell a paradox.
Mr_Oujamaflip
05-05-2008, 17:06
The uber nerf of jedi defense and the belittling of the IDR system.
Make no mistake, I'm not referring to the sabering changes, which I love.
I thought the E-11 nerf in addition to the loss of contact primaries made a lot of older players quit too.
I thought the E-11 nerf in addition to the loss of contact primaries made a lot of older players quit too.
Yeah, I really missing mid air nades ;(
GenTronSeven
05-05-2008, 18:14
Actually, I think jedi is still just as easy as it was before b19, which was not worth playing at all due to how ridiculously powerful jedi were anyway.
The only force drain issues are at extreme ranges and if the jedi decides to just stand there and block, he is probably going to die.
However, not even the dumbest players are going to just stand there and wait to die. It is still very easy to play jedi if you know what you are doing, in fact I would go as far as saying that if you are skilled it is still the best class, as it has a counter for everything in the game.
If jedi is enhanced, it is going to be over powered again, unless the only thing that is changed significantly is the long range force drain.
Mr_Oujamaflip
05-05-2008, 18:32
Actually, I think jedi is still just as easy as it was before b19, which was not worth playing at all due to how ridiculously powerful jedi were anyway.
The only force drain issues are at extreme ranges and if the jedi decides to just stand there and block, he is probably going to die.
However, not even the dumbest players are going to just stand there and wait to die. It is still very easy to play jedi if you know what you are doing, in fact I would go as far as saying that if you are skilled it is still the best class, as it has a counter for everything in the game.
If jedi is enhanced, it is going to be over powered again, unless the only thing that is changed significantly is the long range force drain.
I agree, as someone who plays saberist on a once-a-year basis, I did quite well last time. I'm a terrible saberist and yet I do have trouble killing them as a gunner (killing Sith is my speciality to be fair). This is as it should be, while some things are a bit weird. (I managed to survive 5+ shots last time I played Jedi when I had no FP left and killed two gunners in the process).
Actually, I think jedi is still just as easy as it was before b19, which was not worth playing at all due to how ridiculously powerful jedi were anyway.
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LOOOOOL.
LOOOOOL.
Stormi won't be satisfied until Jedi/Sith have T3 and Defense 3 for 0 points.
Shadriss
05-05-2008, 19:48
Stormi won't be satisfied until Jedi/Sith have T3 and Defense 3 for 0 points.
And in the wings, Sidious continues to plot...
"All is proceeding exactly as I have forseen..."
Stormi won't be satisfied until Jedi/Sith have T3 and Defense 3 for 0 points.
Apparently lmao. Jedi is fine as is...the defense is a bit wacky when your not blocking but oh wel, keeps you on edge when you randomly lmao.
GenTronSeven
05-05-2008, 21:02
And when you are done making just sith ridiculous with force block penetrating lightning and force destruction that causes destruction of terrain and walls in open the quote can be
"Everything has transpired according to my design."
DarthNader
05-05-2008, 21:11
I agree Acidus. For me it changed really when nades got tweaked though. Saw the shift in the game go completely one way and things were less balanced. It made me die a little on the Inside =\
Now when I've played I see some old faces, but far few from what it use to be. Now it's also 24 dotf most places and well.... that kills it as well. If I wanted to play the same map over and over. I'd stick with Dust and cs and I hate dust.
TK'ing is where it's at.
>.>
You're one of them? :S
Still play Q4, Doll? Duel you sometime?
Hum. Haven't in long time, nobody really plays it anymore. ^^
Maybe... Be on xfire more. :3
On another note, where's my sandwich woman? Get back in the kitchen.
Starve! :X
I've always wondered, why do people alias anyway? :p
Dunno, don't usually, just was in a really super bad mood and didn't want to talk with most people...
More like spamming racial slurs, screaming about how sh1t the mod is, insulting family, calling us all wankers, etc etc.
Don't do that just to you. >.>
Maybe it's just me but I find Jedi pretty easy. (or atleast did when I practiced with them for 2 days, in which time I gathered enough knowledge to beat almost any enemy I came across saber to saber. Save a few quality players.)
They're perfect now - if they're dumb they die - and if they're smart they're probably the most valuable thing you can have. I think the problem with Jedi isn't the Jedi itself, but rather the players wanting their class to be able to kill anything and everything with general ease.
They want their Jedi to be able to take on 2+v1 and come out on top with only minimal damage, but the idea of MB2 as I've heard from thousands before 'Every class is made to beat every other class' Maybe B19 just made jedi dumber, because we all know that B19 was effortless to be a good Jedi, but builds prior made Jedi actually difficult.
It's not that it's too hard, it's just that people's skill diminished when they were overpowered.
Just muh thoughts.
As for on topic, I think we've pretty much cleared up everything this thread brought to question.
Well I started to speak Czech on some server with mate (I think Blo).. Some French started to spam with binds like: Ruin ur life? Be a Polak.. Funny that on the server were lots of tp.. What happens? The only one who has the reason to TK was me or someone from tp.. NR French guy TK me with comment: Gotcha polish ****ing tard.. Admins nowhere.. Well wtf?
I dunno what some people have against polish players? And these idiots can't even recognize Czech/Polish.. Funny if someone calls me Polish tard.. I am just laughing at them..
I don't get it..
When I came to MBII like two years ago everything was fine.. Since b19 itsa crap.. BUT.. I found very good playing on MB Universe DG and DSi.. Always there people I know, people who are cool etc..
Still I don't think community is crap.. MBII is the only mp game I am playing for a while.. I am enjoying it rly..:p
Sorry for mistakes.. Not good in EN.. :(
That touched my heart. I'm always there for a back rub Phelps. Or a shot in the head. Regardless of you being on my team or not :D
how the hell is it disgusting?
That touched my heart. I'm always there for a back rub Phelps. Or a shot in the head. Regardless of you being on my team or not :D
I love u Sunny.. :*
BTW me too mate.. Somebody will have something against u mate *BOOM* secondary and hundred of blast shots into his stupid body.. :p
Stick with ur friends IMO..
WorldsLargestIpod
05-05-2008, 23:36
Honestly there are times when the stupidity and childish viciousness of the community make me want to /quit the game forever. But then I remember CoR, the nice people in the game, and how much fun I have playing it, and I put those thoughts in my mind's waste disposal unit.
Then you recruited me!
MUHAHAHAH! *Blasts his allies from behind*
Numba 1 Stunna
06-05-2008, 00:04
>.>
You're one of them? :SYes, I initiated a little TK war the other day because this one idiot playing Jedi was taking forever to open the throne room doors. He was doing it one swing at a time. Every swing he took was a swing I let him take, and when it was time for us to part ways, the decision was mine alone.
Corsair will vouch for this, he was laughing his ass off on ventrilo.
I agree Acidus. For me it changed really when nades got tweaked though. Saw the shift in the game go completely one way and things were less balanced. It made me die a little on the Inside =\
Well, that was caused by heavy community pressure. The game hinged too heavily on who had a nade left, regardless of class. It was a deliberate change, again, based on what the community of the time wanted. The change was more about gunner v gunner than jedi, and the force draining nades were an attempt to leave that side of the balance intact.
Don't do that just to you. >.>
Its got a flavour all its own when you have invested umpteen thousand hours into working on the very game that these chuckleheads are occupying.
the problem for me is the game is to slow passed now, you used to have to be quick under presure or you would die. now you can do alright without getting involves so much. it takes the fun out of the game
Yes, I initiated a little TK war the other day because this one idiot playing Jedi was taking forever to open the throne room doors. He was doing it one swing at a time. Every swing he took was a swing I let him take, and when it was time for us to part ways, the decision was mine alone.
Corsair will vouch for this, he was laughing his ass off on ventrilo.
I will. While I did not condone the initial TK of the jedi, I did find it amusing.
Metaguardian
06-05-2008, 02:34
What I love is how the community whines when things are unbalanced and still whines when things are fairly balanced.
In B17, I will admit I had a lot of fun, after all it was my first build, but all of you seem to forget how horrible it became in the second half of the build's lifespan. People just got sick and tired of the complete and utter spam of the build's features-- Jedi that could just heal everything, t3 + push 3 spam, knockdown and ST whore, unlimited blobs, secondary grenade nuclear explosions, and the list goes on.
In B18, things were significantly changed in most of the gameplay, and we in the Australian community tend to feel this was the best Mb2 build for competitions, but there were still issues. For all of you contact grenade 'fanboys' you all forget how much complaining there was on the forums about them and I for one agreed. Contact nades were utterly stupid. I played on Australian servers, where at that time, a large majority of the players were very good. It became a nightmare having contact nades because you'd be constantly contact grenaded every round, every game, every day, every week. Soldier spam was also horrible. Honestly, where is the skill involved in contact grenades? Most people can shoot a Jedi as he jumps or strafes or whatever, and thus contact grenading is just as easy. You all forget that one simple bounce off a wall grenade became entirely unfair because if it hit someone, it just exploded and killed everyone. Contact grenades are best left in the past. While soldiers were OP'd due to that feature, B18 was actually pretty good.
B19 was horrible for sabering. It became one-dimensional, perfect blocking and AP whoring until oblivion. It was an awesome build for balance though, and made epic FA changes, something which has continued in RC1.
In RC1, I think Jedi and Sith are fantastic. The sabering system now takes skill and has depth, and the force drain issues of the past are gone. I really can't stand how you get idiotic players on servers saying 'OMGZOR RC1 SABERING SUCKS', 'NUDGE RUINS EVERYTHING', and other bull**** like that. The whole 'nudge animations' during sabering can easily be avoided if you learn to parry and understand how to use the sabering system (as a result I've never had a problem with the nudge animations in my duels). The increased force drain now makes saberists much easier to kill compared to the horrors of B19 where they could survive anything. And yet, in my opinion sabering is still fairly easy. There's a guy in the Aus mb2 community called 'Mad Man' and his 'sabering technique' consists of using dual sabers and just primary spamming at his enemies, and somehow that guy still manages to get lots of kills. Other than sabering concerns, everything else in RC1 is swell.
In regard to the community, the B17 and B18 'noobs' as you all liked to complain about were far better than the current load of players. I remember awesome games on DSi when all the 'pro' players of Mb2 played like Renshai and the fellas from DSi, Superman, Moondoy and the other ex-BK's and the games on ROTATION were epic. I honestly wish I could go back in time and re-live some of those games, because even today, no games I've played have been able to match that intensity and quality. The current community is unfortunately terrible. On the FA server, we have a fair, but no-nonsense policy when it comes to troublemakers and thus the server stays fairly insulated from the stupidity of other server populations. But on other servers I'm just amazed and how idiotic players are. There are so many people who alias just to tk and stir up trouble. And the existing players, really shock me. Stunna goes around mass tking on servers for fun, the Uppercuts, although rather impotent these days, still stir up trouble occasionally and yet somehow people seem to adore them now, and the list goes on. Honestly, sometimes I just literally :rolleyes: at the powerful minority of the Mb2 community that ****s around with everyone.
Superman, and Moondoy joined in B16.
And yet, in my opinion sabering is still fairly easy. There's a guy in the Aus mb2 community called 'Mad Man' and his 'sabering technique' consists of using dual sabers and just primary spamming at his enemies, and somehow that guy still manages to get lots of kills. Other than sabering concerns, everything else in RC1 is swell.
Well, to be honest I used to eat players like that for breakfast. Might I suggest/request that you organise a dueling tourney after your current one has completed? Saber dueling tourneys are by far the best way to identify bugs and issues in the system, as everyone from the corners of the commune comes together with their own unique styles and methods.
They are also damned fun, great for movie posting and I for one would sign up in a shot...I'd actually sign up even faster if you did a pairs dueling tourney :)
Wildebeest
06-05-2008, 03:20
http://www.moviebattles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64
Jerks have been around forever, and will be around forever.
Acid, you sure you want that tourney before we implement the saber plan you and Frost came up with? ;)
http://www.moviebattles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64
Jerks have been around forever, and will be around forever.
Acid, you sure you want that tourney before we implement the saber plan you and Frost came up with? ;)
Probably plenty of time to do it before :), then maybe after. It doesnt tend to be a good idea doing a tourney right after a big change because people need time to get to grips with it.
Wildebeest
06-05-2008, 03:26
It doesnt tend to be a good idea doing a tourney right after a big change because people need time to get to grips with it.
Very true. *Waits anxiously for school to end so he can get a computer and start modding again*
I would do a saber tourney if and only if there was a pairs section of it. At 1 on 1 dueling I'm absolute garbage, but I'm generally very successful when I'm sabering with a teammate (sometimes I use them and they don't even know it). I'd never register for a solo tournament, though, because my raw sabering skills are absolute garbage compared to the people who'd be signing up.
Numba 1 Stunna
06-05-2008, 04:20
Honestly, where is the skill involved in contact grenades? Most people can shoot a Jedi as he jumps or strafes or whatever, and thus contact grenading is just as easy.Since you put it like that, then where is the skill in shooting them? How is contact grenading any different if it is just as easy and shooting them?
And the existing players, really shock me. Stunna goes around mass tking on servers for funHow else am I going to get my giggles at the end of the day?
Metaguardian
06-05-2008, 04:23
Since you put it like that, then where is the skill in shooting them? How is contact grenading any different if it is just as easy and shooting them?
How else am I going to get my giggles at the end of the day?
The point I'm making was that contact grenading was far too easy, so the idea that contact grenading was balanced because 'it took skill' is incredibly inaccurate. And Stunna the fact that you find tking and ruining other people's games your idea of 'fun' and your chance to get 'giggles at the end of the day' really shows how much you contribute to the growing cesspool that is the Mb2 community.
Numba 1 Stunna
06-05-2008, 04:31
So are you going to do something about my new definition of fun?
Anyways, you've basically said it yourself. If contact grenading is as easy as shooting someone, well...I think you can figure it out.
FrenchFry
06-05-2008, 04:55
The point I'm making was that contact grenading was far too easy, so the idea that contact grenading was balanced because 'it took skill' is incredibly inaccurate. And Stunna the fact that you find tking and ruining other people's games your idea of 'fun' and your chance to get 'giggles at the end of the day' really shows how much you contribute to the growing cesspool that is the Mb2 community.
THE INTARWEBS IS SERIUZ BISNIZ AMIRITE?
Numba 1 Stunna
06-05-2008, 04:59
Fry, what's your Xfire?
DarthNader
06-05-2008, 05:24
I know what ya mean, but I found it to be a good counter to some of the jedi stuff, but at the same time the real good jedi/sith never had a problem with nades. Hell they had the reaction of a cougar on crack. Look at Mago and Stormi. You'd get them randomly now and then, but they had no problems with nades 99 percent of the time.
Push is useful. Just a shame not many got the hang of it = P
What made me sadder though was how even primary nades wouldn't explode on impact on someone...... like seriously. If you throw a nade all the way across the main part in lunar and hit a jumping jedi.... you so freakin deserve that kill =\
Metaguardian
06-05-2008, 06:17
THE INTARWEBS IS SERIUZ BISNIZ AMIRITE?
When I play Mb2, I usually do it for fun, unless it's a competitive match or what not and then I get serious about it. I'm not saying you can't have fun and you have to be super serious, but just respect other people in the game and treat them as you would have other people treat yourself.
i vote saber tourney pairs :)
prilladog
07-05-2008, 01:31
i vote saber tourney pairs :)
:confused:
Was that meant for the polling thread Meta also did.
I havent been able to have a proper game without an alias since b17 personally. Around that time some kiddies decided its fun to lame the developers.
Lately I've been getting tked by the DitVs as soon as I use my dev name. Apparently these kids find it funny. Oh well.. :cool: Gotta love them <3
and the developers decided its fun to ubernerf jedi:)
and the developers decided its fun to ubernerf jedi:)
Yeah into a class that takes skill. Fun imo too.
Mashirafen
07-05-2008, 22:10
Yeah into a class that takes skill. Fun imo too.
Seconded.
even for the best jedis, its simply to hard to get anywhere if the gunners can aim. reguardless what you or your team does tbh. besides we shouldnt have a handicap should be even. skilled players should > average ones, not the other way round
In older builds in a 1v1 the skilled saberist would beat the skilled gunner, now the skilled gunner beats the skilled saberist generally....although knowing that the skilled rc1 saberist should just run and hide in a dark corner.
My dissapointment at the rc1 saberist balance is trumped only by my dissapointment with how many people, developers and otherwise find it acceptable to leave it that way.
=Someone=
07-05-2008, 23:22
My dissapointment at the rc1 saberist balance is trumped only by my dissapointment with how many people, developers and otherwise find it acceptable to leave it that way.
You know me, for one. I just stopped to care. ;)
i dissagree with that, i think in the other builds a skilled saberist is 50 50 with a skilled gunner, i actually belive the gunner still had the upperhand.
all jedis can do is run around hoping the gunner missed, what if your fighting someone that doesnt miss, you cant do ****
Victin Halcyon
07-05-2008, 23:35
I think maybe most players just weren't as good as they are now. It might have always been that a skilled gunner could always beat a skilled Jedi, but the players weren't at that level yet. Now we're reaching the bottom of the metagame and we're truly starting to see where each class stands in relation to each other.
I only have two problems with Saber Fighting in RC1.
1) AP. What. the ****. Seriously, it's the most random garbage ever. Just get rid of it, that way you have to rely on more skill then luck.
2) Q3. Stupid. Honestly, I use Q3 because it's lulz but it's just a tad retarded.
I think maybe most players just weren't as good as they are now. It might have always been that a skilled gunner could always beat a skilled Jedi, but the players weren't at that level yet. Now we're reaching the bottom of the metagame and we're truly starting to see where each class stands in relation to each other.
Nah, players of past builds have grown progressively worse if anything. B15-16 had some real gods, even with what was thought of as the 'weak' classes.
Mr_Oujamaflip
08-05-2008, 00:33
Nah, players of past builds have grown progressively worse if anything. B15-16 had some real gods, even with what was thought of as the 'weak' classes.
I agree, you also have to consider the difference in balance. If one build the saberist is overpowered then the gunners must become more competent to keep up. Look at B15, Jedi were practically immortal unless you used grenades, this meant the gunners accuracy had to be very, very good, this has gradually decreased in time as the saberists have become weaker. This is why I think people are having trouble with gunners in RC1, B19, (the initial release at the very least) had very strong saberists in my opinion and the gunners have managed to even it up by the end, the ability carries over making it harder for the saberist.
Tornadium
08-05-2008, 00:41
Lately I've been getting tked by the DitVs as soon as I use my dev name. Apparently these kids find it funny. Oh well.. :cool: Gotta love them <3
No, Just...No
You curb stomp them irl. Not love them.
While the majority are okay its the small minority (Not to mention any names) which are constantly tking and find it funny to do so. They must jack off to people getting pissed off, Idk.
However the community isn't THAT bad when you play with people you know. As was previously stated as long as any asshats are not playing in the server you can pretty much be sure your going to be okay. However having said that having people talk in team chat when you accidentally change teams to hear them plotting tks on you using their real names. I lol'd
The main problem is that (In my opinion of course) there is too much work on getting stuff balanced that it isn't really fun anymore to play.
THE INTARWEBS IS SERIUZ BISNIZ AMIRITE?
Awesome contibution. Seriously man, That really has so much relevance.
-=Amit=-
08-05-2008, 00:44
Nah, players of past builds have grown progressively worse if anything. B15-16 had some real gods, even with what was thought of as the 'weak' classes.
Then again those ''gods'' were few, and were ''gods'' compared to the others playing back then. You can't know how they'd fare with the current community.
Personally, I think the community has gone quite a bit better over the time and that's probably why there are less pros around. In B17 there were quite a few of those pros, I remember, that could kill whole teams alone.
But now, the players are pretty skilled. Defeating a whole team of pretty skilled players is almost impossible, no matter how good you might be (possible, but you need a good tactic and probably some luck).
B17 had so many awful players it may as well have been subtitled 'attack of the noobs'.
Nah, players of past builds have grown progressively worse if anything. B15-16 had some real gods, even with what was thought of as the 'weak' classes.
If given the challenge, people will rise to it.
As Ouj explained, this occurred in B19.
If unbalance shifted in favor of horribly overpowered Jedi (lol Stormi and Mago would return), then we would see some incredible gunners arise from the ashes of retardationramboing.
In older builds in a 1v1 the skilled saberist would beat the skilled gunner.....
Do you not see the problem with that?
=Someone=
08-05-2008, 01:15
Do you not see the problem with that?
At least that felt movie-realistic. :P
Seriously, if we hadn't agreed that this was wrong as well, we wouldn't have such relatively weak jedi in RC1 now.
Jedi are perfectly fine when it comes to Dueling, obviously because the Sith has the same abilities for the most part. The only thing that needs to be changed really is the defense from Gunners, I know this because my main classes were Hero/BH, Arc/Mando ect for a very long time. Its easy as hell to drain FP If you know what to do, but even if the jedi is pro as said, odds are now-a-days the gunner would trash the jedi overall.
Unless the Jedi's playing some tactic most consider cheap, q3 (which has its own weakness's anyway), Mind Trick,Grip, Lightning, ect. I cant honestly think of any ways to make this better without jacking jedi's back up, which i really dont want because I like the recognition good jedis get now, if you make it too easy again then its wasted :-\
Sorry, i rambled on and on xD
Do you not see the problem with that?
Yes I did, which is why I was personally responsible for every nerf they received throughout the builds, including idr, force draining nades and deflect you have to pay for. However RC1 overdid it really, although the current build is a lot closer to balance than the original release.
I'm actually relieved that we finally pushed too far in a way..cus it tells us that the line is somewhere in between the two points.
Metaguardian
08-05-2008, 02:10
Wow no offense guys, but what kind of crack are you guys smoking? Jedi/Sith are absolutely fine, they aren't 'jacked beyond belief' and they don't need nerfing. I see on the servers loads of Jedi/Sith doing extremely well and bordering on easy slaughter of gunners, while gunners still have the ability to kill Jedi/Sith in a more balanced fashion.
Now that i hear people complaining about 'how nerfed Jedi/Sith are' and the devs 'agreeing' with them, it horrifies me because chances are now in RC2 we'll see buffed Jedi/Sith that are unbalanced again and we'll have a whole new round of B19'esque complete and utter saber **** and the community having to endure this for months until a patch comes to fix it.
If you also look at the Feedback and Gameplay poll on 'Force Drains', you'll see there's a strong majority who believe the current Jedi/Sith are fine. Yes, there are some guns like the Arc pistols and Bowcaster that do a little too much FP damage, but other than that it's fine. Just leave it be....
If you also look at the Feedback and Gameplay poll on 'Force Drains', you'll see there's a strong majority who believe the current Jedi/Sith are fine. Yes, there are some guns like the Arc pistols and Bowcaster that do a little too much FP damage, but other than that it's fine. Just leave it be....
The fact that that poll was conducted during a period where idr didn't even work makes me really doubt the value of community feedback.
Devs are, or should be, impartial, that poll alone proves the a lot of the community is incapable of that.
I don't think there is a lot needed, the patch applied lessened the balance issues significantly, but its still a little out.
being a sole saberist since b15 I can say that the balance of jedi feels about right now, easy to kill loads of gunners who don't know much sure but more skilled players can easily take care of jedi/sith.
Jedi arent underpowered whatsoever, imo. I play both gunner and jedi as frequently as one and other. Once you know the basics, jedi can be one of the hardest classes to kill as a gunner, or even better combined with a little teamwork it can be the biggest obstacle for the opposition to overcome. I personally play jedi as more of a support role for my gunners unless im with another saberer who I can teamwork well with. Ive never had problems racking up the kills.
Like meta pointed out, some guns such as the caster could use a little tweaking fp drain wise, but on the whole its fine.
For the first few days of RC1 I was having trouble killing gunners, because I was in the B19 mindset still. After playing for a few days you learn to adjust to the new FP drains and change your tactics accordingly.
Even I get frigging kills as a jedi, which does say a lot. I play gunner and jedi (well, mostly gunner) but even then I don't have that much difficulty as a jedi. I don't see what everyone is complaining about.
I play every class - most of the time Soldier/Jedi and it's totaly balanced. All you have to do is zagzag and not run into a straight line against soldiers - even better soldiers have trouble with it. It all depends on when he reloads that's when you have to strike. Against multiple? Just stay back and let your team handle it or run away.
Metaguardian
08-05-2008, 11:14
Exactly. Let's not now buff Jedi/Sith in RC2 and then have to go through the whole exercise of taking numerous patches and builds to bring it back to the balanced level it is already at.
One thing I find interesting about MB2 would probably be the addiction to it many people get. Just a couple days ago, Ford was bugging TCO and me on Vent to go play MB2 with him. We said, "MB2 Ford, are you serious?" Yet, five minutes later we were playing anyway.
That also reveals a weakness of the mod, none of us play it without one or two friends along. I used to just every day start up MB2 and play, but now I don't do it anymore.
Metaguardian
08-05-2008, 14:20
'None of us play it without one or two friends along'?
I think that's a pretty massive generalisation. Besides, we all know how the Dekas in the Vents are going through their teen angst rebellion against the mod and the Mb2 team.:p
GoodOlBen
08-05-2008, 14:26
Veshzan, Xa4 and Varlesh are practically glowstick gods. I piss my pants when I see them coming at me. I rarily manage to pull off the amazing feat of taking them out without help.
Sure it might be that my gunnerskills have slightly lowered now that the noob jedi are cannonfodder so I don't need to really sweat it when facing jedi 75% of the time.
And as a jedi I get killed by those who really own. The game's balance is currently quite optimal.
a Douchebag
08-05-2008, 14:34
I agree, nerfed Jedi = good Jedi. Why? Because when it's easy to get kills with them, that's all people play.
Jedi should be a difficult class to play anyway. Leave them underpowered so that only people with skill will even bother playing them. The people that can't handle it can go arc or wookiee.
I like the challenge personally. I like that it's not a gaurantee that I'm going to get 5 kills every round with a Jedi. All I have to say to people like stormy--practice.
Mashirafen
08-05-2008, 18:34
As a player of every class I think Jedi are fine as they are now. I could make nitpicks but I honestly don't mind them that much. I see Jedi and Sith doing well all the time, RC1 just requires a different mindset for saberists. This may come as a surprise to many saberists, but there are actually force powers other than Push. You know about Jump and Sense, and the majority of you know of Push, but how many of you have used the fabled alignment specific powers? Because they can be a hell of a lot more effective than Push if you use them right.
Veshzan, Xa4 and Varlesh are practically glowstick gods. I piss my pants when I see them coming at me. I rarily manage to pull off the amazing feat of taking them out without help.
Sure it might be that my gunnerskills have slightly lowered now that the noob jedi are cannonfodder so I don't need to really sweat it when facing jedi 75% of the time.
And as a jedi I get killed by those who really own. The game's balance is currently quite optimal.
With the exception of Veshzan I fully agree to that. Staff-nubbing never has been and still isnt difficult to pull off.
With the exception of Veshzan I fully agree to that. Staff-nubbing never has been and still isnt difficult to pull off.]
Lawl, vesh is the best at saber out of all of us 3 :P.
With the exception of Veshzan I fully agree to that.
Feeling the love LAWL
Staff-nubbing never has been and still isnt difficult to pull off.
You go do it before you cry about it
'None of us play it without one or two friends along'?When I said that I meant all of DitV, not everyone who plays. That reminds me of the joke I forgot to put in that post:
MB2: Cheaper than crack.
Numba 1 Stunna
09-05-2008, 01:08
That also reveals a weakness of the mod, none of us play it without one or two friends along. I used to just every day start up MB2 and play, but now I don't do it anymore.It's because you have seen the light (http://mb2.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Seen_the_light).
Feeling the love LAWL
You go do it before you cry about it
I have done it just to make sure it wasnt actually skill that kills people, its the fact that staff has alot of issues that need work, and you know that.
-=Amit=-
09-05-2008, 15:53
I like Jedi/Sith as they are right now, they're not underpowered IMO.
Against a very good gunner, you're probably gonna die if you just go 1 on 1 on him, but if you use your brain or teamwork, you're going to defeat him. Against a few saberists who use teamwork, even a horde of gunners will have a big problem.
A saberist alone vs a horde of gunners will lose unless he's fighting smart and gets them to split up, and that's how it should be.
Yes, I'm saying that from experience. No, I don't use deflect, MT, Q3, grip, nor lightning on gunners at all.
Jedi/Sith are a challenge now. Against good gunners you must have a good tactic or teamwork to win, otherwise you're toast. That's how it should be, Jedi/Sith aren't supposed to attack gunners straight, they need to be smart and cautious. And when you are playing it right, you can kill tons of people even by yourself.
ShadeyMan
09-05-2008, 16:07
Went on a server with an alias, was TKed constantly by people I know and play with regularly, right from the first round playing. What is wrong with you people? Can't play nice with anyone you don't recognize? No wonder no one who still plays JK3 likes MBII except the existing players. Meh.
GTFO MB2.
This thread is the pinnacle of derailment technology. We can remake it, but lets not bother, its poo.
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