Asking the Players, Metaguardian's Law.

[obiwan3001]

This isnt for ranting or anything to stirr problems. Just want the MB2 forums people to give their view instead of a narrow minded Metaguardian with his So called wallhacks expert under alias ''Pad'' which meta refused to say who he is.
Enough flameing on my part, down to what matters, asking if what pad and meta said is true, Donkles from the legion vs EW match today at 7:00EST was wallhacking and is now removed from tourny.
After we of legion team viewed Demos that meta's friend taken, we seen no evidence of wallhacking. Being that from what meta mentioned each time either the jedi on our team Soove sensed where somone was or was in plain sight before donkles tryed to shoot them.
Main thing, please view the 2 demo's here and give a Honest look on it.
http://files.filefront.com/EWvLegionAdm+26/;10092747;/fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/EWvLegionBdm+26/;10092748;/fileinfo.html

Fats should have the files in a normal viewing way tomorrow.

[Metaguardian]

Prilladog, you are such an idiot. Donkles got caught wallhacking and my wallhacking expert for the tourney looked at the demos with working wallhacks and made the same conclusion. I chose not to disqualify Legion as the rules stipulate, because I gave you the benefit of the doubt that Legion didn't know he was wallhacking and it was just the actions of one player. I let you go through to the quarters and instead you choose to make this a public issue. Hell I even let you guys into the tournament when Prilla you have a severe attitude problem and you're rumoured to be crashing servers, including my own.

You even asked me on Vent to explain the wallhacking issue, which I did, and after I had finished explaining you accuse me of complaining on vent and kick me with the following message:

'learn some respect, We know he didn't do it the poor **** can't replace a skin, now were screwed for the tourney, thanks'

You later looked at the demos and conveniently missed the most blatant examples of wallhacking, notably when Donkles was facing the middle of the outside garage wall on Theed tracking a mando on the other side, as he slowly walked left toward the corner. And that's just one of the more prominent examples of Donkles' tracking and preaiming during the match. Oh and by the way in that example, Donkles was the only one in the entire business district. There were no other teammates, let alone a 'sensing Jedi' in the vicinity of the area. This was also near the beginning of the round and no Legion players had died yet to 'ghost'.

You should be really glad that I don't disqualify your entire team from the tournament as I should have according to the rules. The decision is final, so I don't know what you're going to gain by posting this up on here and getting even more people to hate you and your clan. But then again that's your choice.

[Apex]

I downloaded, i'm going to watch them, and then I'll post my opinion. Although, my opinion won't really matter. :/

[prilladog]

Hi Meta.

I'm Prilladog, and that really isn't me... Granted i'd like that extra 230 posts but ok...

Also Meta your telling us your not bias? i'd like to point out that at the very beginning of Demo A he is explaining about hacks to a fellow person known only as pad. And tbh Meta we can't judge if he is or not without these so called hacks ourselves.

If you have them and can tell us otherwise go ahead.

[obiwan3001]

I downloaded, i'm going to watch them, and then I'll post my opinion. Although, my opinion won't really matter. :/

All opinions matter, cause togeather everyone is the community, and we want the communitys opinion.

[Metaguardian]

Hi Meta.

I'm Prilladog, and that really isn't me... Granted i'd like that extra 230 posts but ok...

Also Meta your telling us your not bias? i'd like to point out that at the very beginning of Demo A he is explaining about hacks to a fellow person known only as pad. And tbh Meta we can't judge if he is or not without these so called hacks ourselves.

If you have them and can tell us otherwise go ahead.

Before the tournament I asked for someone who is extremely familiar and an expert at Mb2 hacks of most kinds to provide some assistance to me and the tournament in reviewing demos and smoking out hacking scum. Due to the concerns over Legion hacking I took one step further and even asked him to spectate the EW v legion match, instead of just watching the demos of each match afterward as per usual. I'm glad I did that because he was able to witness the wallhacking of Donkles, as I also did, and then subsequently was able to review the demos himself with a working wallhack and prove the wallhacking was occuring.

And no Prilla, I have never and will never use hacks. Otherwise I could have just done the checking with an installed wallhack myself. So quit drawing attention away from Donkles' wallhacking.

[Myth]

I'll sell any Legion member a wallhack for $5 USD paypal.

...or any other tourney team.

In other news,

"Wallhacking expert" is probably the most overrated term I've ever seen. Get out with that garbage.

Regardless of it all, you're in a tournament lead by a overly suspicious prat, and are subject to his opinion. Get Over It. Legion is lame anyway.

[Lindsey]

honestly you guys should consider yourselves lucky your still allowed to play in this thing, whining about it on here isn't going to get your friend reinstated so perhaps you should shrink back into the background before making bigger fools of yourselves ;)

[obiwan3001]

Before the tournament I asked for someone who is extremely familiar and an expert at Mb2 hacks of most kinds to provide some assistance to me and the tournament in reviewing demos and smoking out hacking scum. Due to the concerns over Legion hacking I took one step further and even asked him to spectate the EW v legion match, instead of just watching the demos of each match afterward as per usual. I'm glad I did that because he was able to witness the wallhacking of Donkles, as I also did, and then subsequently was able to review the demos himself with a working wallhack and prove the wallhacking was occuring.

And no Prilla, I have never and will never use hacks. Otherwise I could have just done the checking with an installed wallhack myself. So quit drawing attention away from Donkles' wallhacking.


Please, do not start a flame war, as Metaguardian what did you try to prove? that a guy that could clearly see the Mando (Both) times, before trying to attack, If he had been useing wallhacks A. He would of seen the sith on right side by river instead of rushing to his death, similar to missing a Quick throw at mando just as he went to fly away.

[prilladog]

Have you even watched them?

Seriously watch the demos you'll see on all occations there was a reason for it

[Subaru]

I thought RC1 was wallhack proof?

[prilladog]

Meta and his "Ex-Uppercut" friend don't seem to think so.

To my knowledge and i'm sure the rest of Legion it is.

[Metaguardian]

There have been wallhacks in RC1 for quite a while now, as many of you know.:rolleyes:

[Lightning]

Have you even watched them?

Seriously watch the demos you'll see on all occations there was a reason for it

Meta's "ex-uppercut" watches the demo in JKA with a wallhack on. Which means he sees whatever your friend sees. Do you understand? Move on

[prilladog]

I can't move on, a valid member is being put on trail for something that is absolutely absurd.

Problems Meta thinks with the truth:

- Seeing a giant orange fish head with a red name above it is wall hacking?
- Seeing a mando, then charging in the be sabered by a hiding sith is wall hacking?
- Seeing a mandos foot then proceeding to secondary nade him is wall hacking?

[Metaguardian]

I can't move on, a valid member is being put on trail for something that is absolutely absurd.

Problems Meta thinks with the truth:

- Seeing a giant orange fish head with a red name above it is wall hacking?
- Seeing a mando, then charging in the be sabered by a hiding sith is wall hacking?
- Seeing a mandos foot then proceeding to secondary nade him is wall hacking?

What the hell are you on about? As I posted earlier, you have completely missed the most obvious examples of wallhacks, for instance, when he was tracking a player on the other side of the garage and so on. I already explained the examples to you on Vent earlier....

[AgentX]

Given i have not watched these videos yet, i'll post my knowledge without implementing facts from the match itself. From what was just stated in the post, and what ive heard is in the video from my friend who is currently watching it and talking to me via ventrilo, it doesnt seem like he's wallhacking. This is just like ReC being accused of WHing, appearances can be decieving, and Prilla has talked to tP before and said he probably didnt think his team would win but they still wanted to try and win, Prilla knows that people can get caught with this, he'd make sure his team played legit.

Yes, prilla can be ****ing annoying sometimes, but honestly if i was in his position and s1ck got accused and kicked out for that, when he is legit, id rage far harder than anyone here is right now lol. In all honesty id take prilla's word for it on this case, just from how hes talked to me about the tournament.

Ill watch the videos then post again when i have more facts.

[prilladog]

Show us the EXACT part then with a commentary if you think he was.

[Radiance]

Any good wallhacker will attempt to disguise his wallhack in some way, and if it meant being killed to attempt to preserve innocence, you can be sure as hell people will do it. And yes, there ARE wallhacks in RC1.

[Metaguardian]

Show us the EXACT part then with a commentary if you think he was.

I already explained the examples IN DEPTH to you for 30 minutes on Vent to you earlier before you 'kicked' me. I have no desire to do the same all over again. If you didn't pay attention the first time, your loss.

[obiwan3001]

What the hell are you on about? As I posted earlier, you have completely missed the most obvious examples of wallhacks, for instance, when he was tracking a player on the other side of the garage and so on. I already explained the examples to you on Vent earlier....

Heres a example meta, you hear footsteps around you, the only possible place he could be is behind this wall heading for the only door, let me creap up on him as he comes out, just cause he was waiting for door and crouching to hide footsteps obviously means hes tracking him.

[prilladog]

I already explained the examples IN DEPTH to you for 30 minutes on Vent to you earlier before you 'kicked' me. I have no desire to do the same all over again. If you didn't pay attention the first time, your loss.

Tell the people, they would lke to know.

Oh and Hi Radiance, hes the expert by the way.

[Metaguardian]

Heres a example meta, you hear footsteps around you, the only possible place he could be is behind this wall heading for the only door, let me creap up on him as he comes out, just cause he was waiting for door and crouching to hide footsteps obviously means hes tracking him.

So why would you be walking sideways alongside the middle of building, not even close to a corner with your crosshair following the wall. If that isn't wallhack tracking, I don't know what is.

[prilladog]

So why would you be walking sideways alongside the middle of building, not even close to a corner with your crosshair following the wall. If that isn't wallhack tracking, I don't know what is.

But apparently you don't know what wallhacking is?

See here for more details:


And no Prilla, I have never and will never use hacks. Otherwise I could have just done the checking with an installed wallhack myself. So quit drawing attention away from Donkles' wallhacking.

Contradiction is a nasty think Meta, especially when you are tyring to win a arguement that is bias due to dislike.

[Metaguardian]

Indeed. I'll never touch, let alone install any game hacks, let alone a wallhack. But you can still tell if someone is wallhacking without having one installed. But just to double check, I had someone with hacks installed for the special purpose of monitoring possible uses of exploits in the tournament have a look at it and prove my point.;)

[AgentX]

So why would you be walking sideways alongside the middle of building, not even close to a corner with your crosshair following the wall. If that isn't wallhack tracking, I don't know what is.


Out of all fairness ive done something similar to that, its just that i heard sense and started angling my character to get specific locations of sounds.

[prilladog]

But how can you tell if you don't use them?

Thats the point at hand.

It's abit like saying your riding that bike wrong if your blind, you won't know.

[Metaguardian]

But how can you tell if you don't use them?

Thats the point at hand.

It's abit like saying your riding that bike wrong if your blind, you won't know.

Well then blame Donkles for making it so damn obvious on a number of occasions that it was impossible to overlook.:rolleyes:

[Golden Mando Bro]

Meta, quite honestly Prilla is making you look stupider than you usually do. I have played with donkles on like a million occasions and quite frankly, I have never had my ass handed to me by him. If he had wall hacks my really crappy ambushes wouldnt work on him. Also after reviewing the video, Donkles was just playing skillfully, I could see why he did what he did every time. Also, ever hear of PROJECTED SHADOWS, they give people up through walls and around corners a lot.

[ACiDuS]

I'm glad this tournament is actually trying to enforce their rules rather than give everyone the benefit of the doubt like the joke one we had last year.

Whether rightly or wrongly accused, I couldnt care less, and its certainly not the topic of this forum.

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