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StormShadow
30-05-2004, 07:30
yea i was wondering why there were no stormtroopers in the mod except for the swamp trooepr withc technicaly isnt a storm trooper and if you put one in use happs model :D
Dingo Dave
30-05-2004, 09:27
They caused a bug (use the search i know its harder but try it)
Haps ones only wipe over the current one when the pk3 is there - they don't create a new one. I think they are adding there own one but don't quote me on it.
Stormtroopers + clones + silver mands = lots of tking.
Dingo Dave
30-05-2004, 15:31
That is why you have a green cross hair on friendlies and red on enemies (good job i'm not colour blind then)
That is why you have a green cross hair on friendlies and red on enemies (good job i'm not colour blind then)
and not to forget the Radar
I dont wanna be checking the colour of the crosshair and my radar every time I see someone run in front of me.
And frankly, the developers dont want that either.
Dingo Dave
30-05-2004, 22:43
i know, i was just trying to elevate me above my stupid/semi stupid comment
In reality you do not just fire when someone walks infront - or i don't.......
That'll be why its quite easy to ambush in mb currently then :)
hhmm i got only a little red cross
i look for the model then i shoot ;>
The_lizard
02-06-2004, 18:22
I dont wanna be checking the colour of the crosshair and my radar every time I see someone run in front of me.
And frankly, the developers dont want that either.
Your right , you should only need to check the crosshair at the most , and you should know the different models like me , also i only got ep6 yesterday , and are the Ewoks the little furry bear like creatures on the forest moon of Endor or whatever it is called ? i REALLY AM NOT a starwars expert
and are the Ewoks the little furry bear like creatures on the forest moon of Endor or whatever it is called ?
yep and they have lvl3 stonetrow abilities :p
And level 3 at-st crushing log traps.
And level1 riding-imperial-bikes-to-distract-stormtroopers ability too :eek:
And Lvl 4 being ready for slaugther in Battlefront.
John
Your right , you should only need to check the crosshair at the most , and you should know the different models like me
I do know the models. This thread is referring to the fact that stormtroopers and clonetroopers are pretty identical (for continuity reasons), and having both of them in it would be confusing and dumb.
Weird how they went down from awesome clones to cannonfooder stormtroopers...
Hmmm... for now seems in semi-authenthic mode during the original trilogy times there won't be any heavy repeating units for either side (no dekas or clones).
Well theres a few reasons they became cannon fodder.
First reason is the original template died. Think of it like a photocopier, they were all fantastic when they were based directly from jango, but with his death they had to base them on themselves.
Secondly, by the time of the original trilogy, most stormtroopers are real live recruits. The empire is the only army, so most people went there if they wanted a military career.
I was talking about weaponry mostly :P
Mmm, what happened to the Clone Rifle? All stormtroopers have are the E-11s which are pretty innacurate and the A10 (I think that's the longer one seen in Episode IV)
Cheers
=Profcorron=
04-06-2004, 01:14
lol
probibly becuase they thought they'ed only be inforced as crowd control. How wrong they were. It could be that the normal troops couldn't use the advanced weponry of the clone rifel. maybe they couldn't find the plans for it. Eather way it was probibly to make done as an e-11 in ep 4, 5, 6 becuase it was easy to make for the movies or it looked like a weapon from that time. It probibly changed ans the e-11 was supost to come from the droid blaster or that in the interest of interest that the weapon thats the same with both trilogys would ruin the game.
Well remember that those guns were made by the republic, for an army to fight a war. The Empire considered the Alliance to be rebels. They did not recognize them as a faction, more like a terrorist organization. So they probably didnt think they would need to invest to many credits into accurate weaponry. Not to metnion the shear numbers of troops.
The team icons that are shown in CTF are very useful. I think that would help tell which is a Clonetrooper and a Stormtrooper, a large rebel/imperial insignia. :p
The problem is with the groups though. Clones are not apart of the Rebel Alliance and Stormtroopers are not apart of the Separatists. Either way, the large icons above your team mates helps out a lot.
=Profcorron=
04-06-2004, 03:19
Maybe you could add them in the authentic mode where no Clones and Stormtroopers will be allowed on at once? This could cause trouble if the model gets on a non authentic mode, But i'm certain that the developers are definatly good enough :D to make it only avaliable sometimes but then they have much more important things to do atm. :confused:
TehJumpingJawa
04-06-2004, 03:45
yeah, 1 class or the other makes sense especially since the 2 would never be fighting each other anyway.
Not sure exactly what *new* the storm trooper class would bring to the game - but hey im sure they'll think of something.
As for why stormies are crap compared to clones - im quite sure its simply financial viability.
When you are running an oppressive regeime such as the Empire was, you tend to need *fook* loads of troops to maintain order.
In the time of the clone wars, the clone armies were elite fighting units, built for success in battle, as such they were expensive to build/produce and maintain.
Later in the empire storm troopers were primarily garrison troops. lumbered with mostly peace keeping duties. Training these millions of storm troopers to be crack commandos would be quite unnecessary, and very expensive, and most importantly dangerous.
I'm sure the Emperor didn't want planetary garrisons which were after all *not* under his direct control, to become too powerful and run the risk of a planetary rebellion.
Kit them out with white armor and an average gun, and they will *look* like crack troops, which in most situations is all you need. (intimination factor and all the rest)
RenegadeOfPhunk
04-06-2004, 11:00
Maybe you could add them in the authentic mode where no Clones and Stormtroopers will be allowed on at once?
Yes, we are indeed working on this. Part of (semi) authentic mode will be setting a time-period which will end up limiting model choice. And since stormtroopers and clonetroopers can't be in the same time period, they cannot appear together.
However, the current plan is still to allow open servers to not specify a time period and therefore allow ALL models to be chosen. And since we are planning to put stormtroopers back in at some stage, this would potentially allow both clonetroopers and stormtroopers on the same map...
However, once you seen clonetroopers and stormtroopers on the same map a few times, you CAN start to spot the differences between them fairly quickly and oncsistently - even at distance. (This isn't just theory - remember that MB I also had stormtrooper and clonetrooper models...)
Once the holster stuff is set up I'll have the guns placed in different spots too.
I like the idea of holsters :)
lol
probibly becuase they thought they'ed only be inforced as crowd control. How wrong they were. It could be that the normal troops couldn't use the advanced weponry of the clone rifel. maybe they couldn't find the plans for it. Eather way it was probibly to make done as an e-11 in ep 4, 5, 6 becuase it was easy to make for the movies or it looked like a weapon from that time. It probibly changed ans the e-11 was supost to come from the droid blaster or that in the interest of interest that the weapon thats the same with both trilogys would ruin the game.
However I wonder what happened to the A10 (longer Stormtrooper rifle seen in Ep IV, carried by Han when they impersonate some Stormies) after EpIV, they all seem to carry E11s then. It would be cool if we had a battle droid blaster, but as you say, it is fairly similar to the E11. And anway, I use Haps' modified E11.
Cheers,
John
i like the idea for the holsters too
Holsters, what would they be used for?
Cheers,
John
=Profcorron=
04-06-2004, 22:45
Holsters are cool :D I've seen Keshire at lots of sites adn watched his work (which is Spactacular) and the Holster code makes them look exelent. He has seom pictures hosted and they look exelent (can't wait for it to be incorperated;) )
Can some give me a picture/tell me what you use Holsters for?
Cheers,
John
Holsters are where you put your weapons. Like in current JA. When you switch guns you put them in your pocket or something as that's how it looks. But if you add holsters, then they will put the weapons on their body so there visible to other players. Like if you had a blaster and you switched to a repeater. You would put the blaster in a *sheath* strapped to your side or leg. Like in real life. In real life people who have big guns (or guns of any kind) can't somehow conceal them in a pocket or in their coats. Especially with all the weapons you can hold in JA. I think that the more weapons you have the slower you move.
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