The Valley of the Dark Lords FFA!!!!!!!!

[Chris Roupé]

heya. i am going to edit: The Valley of the Dark Lords Duel map so it's going to become a KOTOR FFA team map :D

1: do you think it should only have jedi/sith's?

2:what character should be in what team??

3:team name's

Chris :D :D

[Chris Roupé]

i was thinking something like:

1: boath
2: Sith's: malak, revan, dementous, Those 2 on duell_revan, (some shooter´s)


Jedi's: bastilia, those 2 other's on Duell_revan and some other jedi's, (some shooter's)

3: don't know.. baybe "old repuclic" XD and something

[Azuvector]

You could try something interesting and make it a bunch've Jedi versus one really powerful Sith...
eg: Jump 3, Push 3, Pull 3, Seeing 3, Attack 3, Defense 3, Force Block 3, Deflect 3, Deadly Sight 3, Destruction 3, Drain 3, Blind 3... 300 FP, 200 HP.
Versus a whole team of Jedi. Be suitably epic with a few people playing, fitting the map's looks, although it'd suck 1 vs 1. :)
Give the Jedi low levels of Force Block (1/2) to make things interesting.
Exar Kun anyone?

[Chris Roupé]

actually i think this is the best idea :D


You happen to be fairly lucky that there are so many alternate endings for how this battle could end up [See wookieepedia for details]

But i recommend you do it like this;

According to Kotor II, a Darkside Revan returned shortly to Korriban's sith Academy to, "Remove any potential sith insurgents". I would have 1 team play as Darth Revan, Bastilla, and maybe a few of the characters who maintained loyalty to him when he turned to the darkside. [Such as Hk-47] As well as his sith soldiers and war droids.

On the other side, a Sith master; ambitious to maintain power over the Academy, resists revan and leads his forces against him.

Possible Classes on Revan's Team;

- Revan [Darkside]
- Bastilla [Darkside]
- Sith Master
- Sith Acolyte
- Other Sith Division Classes with different abilities [I can name a few if you like]
- Sith Trooper + Sith Trooper Divisions [I can also name them if you like]


Possible classes on Renegade Sith;

- Sith Leader [Give him a name]
- Sith Master
- Sith Trainer
- War Droids
- Corrupted Sith Troopers
- Corrupted local Thugs

Make it unique, but talk to someone who has a reputation for atleast trying to make a balanced FA, like Lindsey.

[Shadriss]

I'd rather see Azu's duel, actually... Exar Kun wiping the floor with a bunch of Jedi would be GREAT to see... in fact, I'd be more likely to sit in spec with a bunch of popcorn watching it that I would be to play it...

[UnsungHero]

I'd rather see Azu's duel, actually... Exar Kun wiping the floor with a bunch of Jedi would be GREAT to see... in fact, I'd be more likely to sit in spec with a bunch of popcorn watching it that I would be to play it...

What would be even cooler is if it were made where you can play as a jedi while waiting in line to be Exar Kun (a cool idea suggested a while back by someone)! I agree that Azu's version sounds like it would be better, but both ideas seem rather interesting.

[Azuvector]

I'd rather see Azu's duel, actually... Exar Kun wiping the floor with a bunch of Jedi would be GREAT to see... in fact, I'd be more likely to sit in spec with a bunch of popcorn watching it that I would be to play it...

You could always whip up a similarly epic map, if he's not interested in that. I'd be happy to do up an FA for it, and any custom features that might be needed(Although I can't think of any offhand.). Exar Kun needs a map of his own, fruity as his model might look in JK3. :P

[Shadriss]

Maybe once I'm done with Borleias, I'll do a Yavin map... since all those temples were Kun's, that would make sense, as much as I hate the setting. *makes mental not to reexamine this later*

[Azuvector]

Maybe once I'm done with Borleias, I'll do a Yavin map... since all those temples were Kun's, that would make sense, as much as I hate the setting. *makes mental not to reexamine this later*

Might be fun. Yavin at night, lit up by temple torchlight, perhaps?

[Tallfire]

What about a really powerful Jedi vs alot of Sith? I kinda think that would be something nice to look at. But I think there should be some gunners and such. Maybe like some gunners that look like they are alive but they are scenery that fires to other scenerys and if someone gets in thier line of fire or goes too close they die.

[Chris Roupé]

or`? what abour a all of it ? :D

Revan and bastilia, powerfull sith and then, a lot of dark jedi's / sith padawan and name them as WorldsLargestIpod said, and then a bunch of Sith Trooper's

then we do the same on the other side... Light side or dark side what do you think?


//by the way, how can i test the map if it work's`?

[Frost]

//by the way, how can i test the map if it work's`?

Do you even know what you're doing ?

[Chris Roupé]

yes i do... XD

I just wan't to make sure i havn't made anything wrong.... well.. bastila and revan is the most powerfull character's on "dark side" team... iv'e added one Sith Master and oneSith Acolyte (sith master has a saber, and acolyte has a powerfull Vibtoblade)

[Þahricida]

bastila doesn't fit imo

[Chris Roupé]

IMO?? sory what dose that mean's?

Bastila look's ugly at MBII XD

//by the way, is it illegal to take weapons/character models from other games and put them in a map ?

[Palin]

Porting them? Yes.

[Chris Roupé]

OK ....

This is what the team's look's like right now...

team 1: revan,(saber) bastila(saber), sith master(saber), Sith Acolyte(powerful vibroblade), and 2 sith padawan's (one with saber and and one with vibroblade that is a zabrak)

Team 2 is the problem... should it be dark side or light side?

and, last question how do i test the map? i want to make sure i haven't done anything wrong, and how it look's like.

[prilladog]

You could try something interesting and make it a bunch've Jedi versus one really powerful Sith...
eg: Jump 3, Push 3, Pull 3, Seeing 3, Attack 3, Defense 3, Force Block 3, Deflect 3, Deadly Sight 3, Destruction 3, Drain 3, Blind 3... 300 FP, 200 HP.
Versus a whole team of Jedi. Be suitably epic with a few people playing, fitting the map's looks, although it'd suck 1 vs 1. :)
Give the Jedi low levels of Force Block (1/2) to make things interesting.
Exar Kun anyone?

I really REALLY like this idea, seriously why not listen to him...

The idea of spamming blind onto loads of jedi and then destructing them would make for a hell of a fun time :eek:

[WorldsLargestIpod]

If Chris is basing what he is doing off of Revan's return to the Sith Academy, Bastilla would have been there.

If this is the battle that takes place after you decide to kill both Yuthura Ban and Uthar, then she probably would not fit. [Unless you planned on Massacring the sith academy like i did, It really wouldn't matter if anyone saw Bastilla or not]


By the way, By FAR, corel's Kotor skin pack will give you the best Sith Acelotye's

When you are finished, I'd recommend giving specific details about what the classes have [in terms of abilities]

I think rc1 has shown that 'A good surprise' isn't worth half as much as being at ease that balance is on it's way.

[Chris Roupé]

ok.. so i remove bastila... that's ok, she look's like crap in JK3 XD

kk..then i make, 5 POWERFULL sith's and rest of them trooper's???

and a bunch jedi's and some troope's OK?

//did you say there is a good kotor skin pack?

[prilladog]

I still think there should be one uber sith and loads of weak jedi.

It would be abit like Palp's office duel but more fun and more room to go around in.

[Chris Roupé]

ok this is what it look's like now XD

Revan : 300 hp and "3" in every single Force power :D (1 lightsaber

sith master: 200 hp and "2" in every single force power :D (1 lightsaber)

Sith padawan: 100 hp, armor 60, and 1 in all force powers (3 in jump) and 2 in attack and defend. (vibro blade)

Zabrak (with my own texture :D): 100 hp, 60 armor, 1 in all force powers (3 in jump) , attack/defend is "2", (vibroblade and a cloak)

// is this ok?

[MoDSec]

that deadly sight 3 stuff...... considering how little cover there is on that map a lot of jedi would get fuxzored out their skullz

[Chris Roupé]

what is deadly sight??

[WorldsLargestIpod]

He's saying he wants a duel

I already explained the problem with the duel. If you REALLY must have a duel map, make the teams are even, but that it's X ammount of middle skill jedi, against 1 very powerfull sith and Y number of cronies. [Like Sith Guards] The Guards plus the 1 good sith should be equal to X number of jedi. This gives the One sith the ability to buy some time so that he isn't constantly under threat of being backwacked. [The most common result of any 2v1 duel.]

Here's just an 'example' of what i mean;

Since I don’t recall you ever saying exactly who the sithlord was, [if it isn’t going to be Kun] I’m making my own pretend sith lord.

‘Sith lord’ [1]

Health: 150

Weapon: Saber Staff [Red]

Force Jump: 3
Force Push: 2
Force Pull: 3
Force Speed: 2
Force Sense: 3
Force Grip: 1
Force Drain: 2
Force Heal: 1
Force Deadly Sight: 1
Force Lightning: 2
Force Sense: 3

Saber Attack: 3
Saber Defense: 3
Force Block: 3

Force Points: 150

Sith Guard [2]

Weapon:

Vibro Blade
Blaster Pistol: 2

Health: 80
Armor: 35

Force Jump: 2
Force Speed: 3
Force Sense: 1
Force Grip: 1

Saber Attack: 2
Saber Defense: 2
Force Block: 1 or 2

Force Points: 75

And for the Jedi Team;

Jedi Guardian; [1]

Health: 100

Weapon: Lightsaber [Blue]

Force Jump: 2
Force Sense: 1
Force Speed: 2

Saber Attack: 3
Saber Defense: 3
Force Block: 2
Saber Deflect: 3
Strength: 2

Force points: 80

Jedi Sentinel [1]

Weapon: Lightsaber [Yellow]

Health: 100

Force Jump: 3
Force Pull: 2
Force Sense: 2
Force Speed: 3
Force Mind trick: 1

Saber Attack: 2
Saber Defense: 3
Force Block: 2

Force points: 100

Jedi Consular: [1]

Health: 100

Weapon: Lightsaber [Green]

Force Jump: 1
Force Push: 3
Force Pull: 3
Force Sense: 3
Force Mindtrick: 2
Force Blinding: 1
Force Heal: 3
Force Grip: 1

Saber Attack: 2
Saber Defense: 2
Force Block: 3

Force points: 120

The link giving information on deadly sight wasn't given... But It's a power where enemies basically lose hp if you look at them. [There are balance elements to it, but i beleive force drain 3 and deadly sight 3 are not a good combination]






I also didn't know you wanted a sith vs. jedi map...

My suggjestion was based off of this;

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan#Quest_for_the_Star_Forge

"Following the Battle of Rakata Prime, it was rumored that Revan intended to return to the warring Korriban so as to subdue the threat of any potential Sith insurgents.[4] Thousands of years later, Revan was indeed credited with having "driven the Sith from Korriban"[8] but the means by which he did so remain ambiguous at best."

[Chris Roupé]

the sith lord?? should his power's be that low? If he shal be a uber lord he must have power XD
by the way, the sith lord will be Revan, cuz he is only on 1 map... so he can be him...


Revan : 300 hp and "3" in every single Force power (1 lightsaber




2 guard's OK! they are fixed:


Sith padawan: 100 hp, armor 60, and 1 in all force powers (3 in jump) and 2 in attack and defend. (vibro blade)

Zabrak (with my own texture ): 100 hp, 60 armor, 1 in all force powers (3 in jump) , attack/defend is "2", (vibroblade and a cloak)


i will edit so they have pistoles to :D :D

[WorldsLargestIpod]

The thing is... FA force powers are not intended to be inherently balanced

Force Drain, Force Destruction, and Force Deadly sight are all powers with very potent abilities, Since i was making my own 'generic' Sith lord, i didn't intend for him to be as powerfull as Darth Revan, just a 'Sith master' type.

The reason i chose a generic sith lord is because Revan fighting jedi on Korriban is non-canon. [I don't really know what your objective is here.]

If you've got Darth Revan, I recommend it be something like this;

Darth Revan

Health: 200
Armor: 50

Weapon: Lightsaber [Red, Single]
[You can Give him the Fancy Stances if you like [ Turquoise + Purple] ]

Jump: 3
Push: 3
Pull: 3
Sense: 3
Speed: 3
Mindtrick: 2
Heal: 1 or 2
Blind: 1
Grip: 2
Lightning: 2 or 3
Drain: 1 or 2
Deadly Sight: 1
Saber Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Force Block: 3

Don't give him force destruction. FD on any level is, quite simply, a ridiculously stupid force power that does nothing but knock players around and waste time [Ever played votj?] Force Drain 3 is a dangerous power to couple with something like lightning, grip, pull, push, or deadly sight, because it lowers their force count below their Force block abilities, with drain level 2, at least the jedi can dodge the attack.

Because i have never actually seen the effects of Deadly sight, I'd recommend having it as level 1 for starters, if it's too weak there is no big loss on Revan's part, because he still has a whole other Crap load of powers to use. And i doubt it would be so strong as to be kick ass at level 1.

[Chris Roupé]

ok.. you sound like a wise guy so i do as you say XD

here is the zabrak (sith guard 1):


description "Sith guard1

Weaponry:
Vibro Blade
Pistol (2)

Force Powers:
Force Jump (2)
Force Speed (3)
Force Sense (1)
Force Grip (1)
Saber Attack (2)
Saber Defense (2)
Force Block (2)


Attributes:
Impact Protective Suit
Ammo (1)
Cloak

and the human guard2


description "Sith guard2


Weaponry:
Vibroblade
Pistol (2)

Force Powers:
Force Jump (2)
Force Speed (3)
Force Sense (1)
Force Grip (1)
Saber Attack (2)
Saber Defense (2)
Force Block (2)

Attributes:
Ammo (1)

Sith lord: :D


description "Sith Lord


Weaponry:
Lightsaber

Force Powers:
Saber Offense (3)
Saber Defense (3)
Force Block (3)
Force Jump (3)
Force Push (2)
Force Pull (3)
Force Speed (2)
Force Sense (3)
Force Grip (1)
Force Drain (2)
Force Heal (1)
Force Deadly Sight (1)
Force Lightning (2)
Force Sense (3)

:D ok? :D

// The sith lord model is changed :D

//must he have a duble bladed saber? i hate it XD

//should he have Heal? it's lightside XD

[Doll]

Do you even know what you're doing ?

Nope. >.>

[Chris Roupé]

Nope. >.>

actually, yes :P

but WorldsLargestIpod is it good?

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Assuming that you can do it, it's fine, I'd remove cloak since this is an open duel and not a tactical mission. Cloak does nothing but promote back-slashing and floating light sabers.

He can have any lightsaber you chose, i just saw you obsessing before about how you needed a model with a dual lightsaber or something, i thought that a dual lightsaber would have appealed to your interests.

And you should know that just because someone is sith does not prohibit them from using light side powers. [And Visa versa, Plo koon with electric judgement, and mace windu with force crush, palpatine with mindtrick [He mt'd more than half the senate]

[Shadriss]

...Palpatine with mindtrick [He mt'd more than half the senate]

FAR more than that, actually. It is speculated in a few of the X-Wing novels that he must have done this to a fairly huge number of the people of Coruscant in general... for a long period of time.

This is based on the fact that at the time the Executor was built, there was a sister ship built as well... the Lusankya. It turned out it was built into the bedrock of the 'city' of Coruscant... and given how big one of those was, the entire area would have had to be leveled, the ship's hull built, and then recovered with the city blocks.

And nobody knew anything about that ship (save Palpatine and Ysanne Isard) until it blasted it's way clear of the city, straight through the double-layered shields, and hypered out to Thyferra.

So yeah... No need to limit 'Light-Side' powers to the Jedi. Sith can be every bit as powerful, if not more so, than the Jedi with them, in some circuimstances.

[Chris Roupé]

ok...

By the way... how do i test the map?? i don't even know how it look's like XD

[Chris Roupé]

YES! i know how to make a map! but right now i am not going to make a map!!!!!! so how do i test the map? (gameplay) ???

yes. i can load it up on a server but i don't know how cuz no body will answer here : http://www.moviebattles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9146&page=11

so how do i test it?

[WorldsLargestIpod]

I'm wondering the same thing, but i'm being hopefull.

Once you have the 'file' in it's proper stage [Read to be released to the public] Ask the administrator of a server if you can run it there for testing. If he says yes, give him the file to upload on the server. Then test.

[Chris Roupé]

yes! i know how to model!! i am a modeler! XD

kk is there no other way?

[Shadriss]

He says he knows how to map, but doesn't know how to TEST a map??

I sense a disturbance in the force... and it's got a sledgehammer with Chris's name on it...

[Chris Roupé]

yes i know how to map cuz iv'e made map for OTHER games! and yes. i know how to make paps.. and for you that don't know this: I KAN MODEL MAPS :D

XD!!!!!!

//found the map for JK3 XD


NIce map XD

[Shadriss]

yes i know how to map cuz iv'e made map for OTHER games!

All well and good, as I mapped for other games before I moved to JO/JA... however, knowing how to map for one game does NOT equate to being able to map for another. The engines, for once, can be drasticly different, not to mention what is possible via architecture, lighting etc.

As an example, you mentioned you 'model maps'. Great... for UT3 or some of the other newer games. But news-flash: JA doesn't use model based maps. It's all brush based, which means a whole different set of rules. Which just means that no, you DON'T know how to map for JA.

I say this not to discourage you, but as simple fact. Perhaps, before embarking on such an ambitios project (for your apparent skill level), you should learn the differances between the mapping styles for whatever other games you've done and JA, and maybe do a few smaller JA maps to get thse differances firmly in mind.

THEN move on to this. It might save you some frustration, not to mention posts like you've been seeing that attack your abilities.

[Chris Roupé]

yes I do cuz i got the tutorial!! XD

And Newer said anything about programing the map... but now the tutorial tell's me + i can take part's from other map's!!

By the way.. the "chadder's" is they nessersery ??

[WorldsLargestIpod]

i could never accuse someone of lying if they're fluency in written english was worse than mine. :D it just doesn't make sense.

[Chris Roupé]

ok? XD


By the way.. the "chadder's" is they nessersery ??

[Chris Roupé]

Iv'e bin study the site but can't find anything bout it.... so i supose it's not nessersery ?? if it's not i don't have anything to be woryed about :D

[Shadriss]

yes I do cuz i got the tutorial!! XD

And Newer said anything about programing the map... but now the tutorial tell's me + i can take part's from other map's!!

By the way.. the "chadder's" is they nessersery ??

1) Tutorials do NOT a mapper make. They are guides on general skills, not a way to instantly impart the knowledge needed to make a map. IE - Just because I have instructions on how to fly a plane doesn't mean I can fly one.

2) 'Programming' the map, as you put it, is a vital part of map creation in the Q3 engine. Furthur proof of my original statement.

3) Whiskey Tango Hotel is "chadder"? (For you non-military types, WTH).

4) "i can take part's from other map's!!" = Phail. A person who knows HOW to map doesn't need, nor should he EVER, take from another person's map. Ever. Period. End of Story.

My original recommendation stands - spend some time learning the ENTIRE process, THEN come back to this. Mapping is not simply laying out brushes - it is doing so in a believable fashion, with the proper entity usage, and the proper coding (be it shader, script, arena file, or MB2 definition files) to support it to it's requirement. NONE of which, so far, you have shown any capacity to do.

[Chris Roupé]

who give's it's not much left... and yes i can take part's from other maps! So just answer this: is this nessersety? If it it, where can i read about it??

[Shadriss]

3) Whiskey Tango Hotel is "chadder"? (For you non-military types, WTH).

Read again, and reply. Since I have no idea what you are trying to ask about, it's hard to tell you if it's needed or not.

Also, I'm happy for you... you've just been a first in my experiance - someone who not only will take others peoples work, but will do so openly and without shame. It's like coming out of the closet for a mapper.

"Hi, my name is [insert name here], and I'm a map thief."

EDIT:
I think I figured out what you meant... I had to say it a few different ways out loud to get it. You mean 'Shader'. Shaders are special controls over textures that can provide many effects, ranging from light emission, to vertex displacement, to surface parms. While they are not 'required' for a map to work, very few maps do not have them... and they tend to be very low quality. You know - things that a Q3 mapper would know all about, if not be able to use all that well.

In an additonal informaation aside, you won't be able to recompile other peoples work without the shaders they used... at least, not and get the same results.

[Chris Roupé]

Read again, and reply. Since I have no idea what you are trying to ask about, it's hard to tell you if it's needed or not.

Also, I'm happy for you... you've just been a first in my experiance - someone who not only will take others peoples work, but will do so openly and without shame. It's like coming out of the closet for a mapper.

"Hi, my name is [insert name here], and I'm a map thief."

sory? sure, i don't make this update... I can delete my files, i got other stuff to do, so that's ok xD

EDIT: i was just thinking, WHO the hell wan't this map as a duell map?? much cooler as a FFA team map.. + i don't hope you thought i was going to have a release there it say's i am the owner of the map xD

[Shadriss]

I begin to think we're talking about two different things... I'm talking about mapping and knowing how in general, you are referring to a specific map and project.

In this particular case and map (The Valley), there is no 'theft' issue... I was referring to what appeared to be a statement that you can and would use other people's maps to make a new one. Not taking the Valley map and refining it's FA, as was originally being discussed.

Basically, I was speaking in general terms, you in specific, and so we ended up being confused by each others statements.

If you wish to persue the FA refinement, I have no quarrel with that... it was the impression you left (most likely due to your passing English) that you had no issues with taking portions of other peoples maps and using them in your own... which would constitue theft of map, in my book.

Apparently, that wasn't the case, and if the idea caused you any insult, I'll apologize. By all means, continue what you are doing, but I still recommend you learn the entire process from beginning to end, rather than try to jump in in the middle like you are. It may make things easier to understand.

[Chris Roupé]

that's ok, i don't make FFA on it, i got other prijekt's so...