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Chairwalker
26-09-2004, 17:47
mmorpgs are for women.
how u know thrawn aint a girlie? :) :D
mmorpgs are for women.Isn't that a reason for men to play them too?
Chairwalker
27-09-2004, 03:22
Isn't that a reason for men to play them too?
Yeah.... If they're gay.
My logic is infallible!
Maybe i didn't word that right... lets try again...
Isn't that a reason for (non-gay) men to be in them (with no need to play)?
oh my!
mmorpg's suck because theyre like.... rpg's. Imagine a MMOshooter. or something. and without "isolated minigames". (battles).
I know this is propably impossible. but it would be nice.
Imagine a rpg. morrowind, for example. Imagine the same game in star wars style. with online multiplayer. And with gameplay like MB. Get the idea?
And no F'ing points and ****. You would have to buy what u wanted ar shops. And when u die, u die. No "rebirth" or sumthin. tough, yes. but it would be good anyway.
I have lots of ideas for a game like this. But this aint the place to discuss it. (This aint the place to sp@m either, if i understand things right..)
P.S. I'm not woman. And the only kind of men staying away from women are... gay. not the opposite.
|_maPex_|
05-10-2004, 20:54
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Did anyone understand wtf he just said?
Anyway I like RPGs but sometimes I just want to vent and pizzown some beeyatches in style. That's what MB2 is for. Anyway this is going off-topic. Don't worry about full-auth mode because that will be finished and hopefully perfected sometime..."when its released" (RenegadeOfPhunk, 13).
Yes, that was me being a nerd and quoting someone in MLA format (high school/college essay format. If you haven't graduated middle school yet, learn about this now because you won't be getting girls for a long time).
I think he just called me a "goddamn 8-yearold" and a "dumbass", not sure though.
And i disagree, i don't think they suck because they're a rpg; i haven't seen a single mmorpg where the "rpg" part means something, they're more like MMODWT (Massive Multiplayer Online Diablo With Tradeskills), with zero roleplaying in most cases, except for some isolated people, only with much less fun combat (there might be exceptions, i haven't played all of them).
I think there's a MMOFPS... Planetside i think... might be messing names up, but i saw something about one. I agree FPS style controls could also work in a MMO game, but those games are hardly ping-friendly most of the time, so it'd be hard to do right.
What i'd really like to try is a MMORPFPS sort of thing, the Morrowind idea sort of, being able to fully control your character, maybe some stats could control the accuracy of guns/overall speed/damage of your blows/jump distance etc... but controlling your character fully... sort of MBish if you will, you have some points, choose the stuff and then control the character youself, no random numbers or anything, just people who use their skills right and those who don't.
[KP] Tokakeke
05-10-2004, 21:38
i think he was calling chairwalker the dumbass, not you
i really hope MEO (Middle Earth Online) is gonne be good
El Vi-Riachi
05-10-2004, 21:48
that was kind of offensive and think someone should say something to that one, there could be kids reading these forums... oh wait you are one?
making a point can be done peacefully not ranting like a rancor on speed!!!!
Chairwalker
05-10-2004, 22:14
mmorpgs are for women.
Fat ones.
I agree with thrawn, though. MMORPG suck but a massively online shooter would rule if done correctly.
Ofcourse noone would be able to play because of the lag, but it would still rule.
yea mmorpgs do suck but thats because NO ONE ACTUALLY RPS ON THEM i used to play mmorpgs but they get boring and tedious when no ones rps so i stopped im hoping WoW will be diffrent cuz its blizzard man and lots of ppl want actual rp on that (just fyi WoW= world of warcraft) and mmorpgs arent just for fat women theyre for teenagers with nothing beter to do with thier time like me :p
|_maPex_|
05-10-2004, 23:14
The Matrix Online, World of Warcraft, and Middle Earth Online all look good...for combat. I doubt any real RPG in MxO (Would be hot though...I'd like to RP a Neo wannabe just like everyone else...or a guy learning and practicing kungfu to get in shape and mack some chicks). World of Warcraft is 50/50 on the RPG thing - knowing most Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo players, this is probably going to be a kill and mindless leveling fest but then again hardcore players will try to RP. Eh dunno. MEO looks effing sexy but then again I doubt any RP because all people wanna do is shoot arrows like Legolas or swing a sword like motha ****in Aragorn (and **** Gimli no one likes that midget). Anyway I doubt MMORPG really has much RPG to it.
There are some MMOFPS though - I beta tested NeoCron a few years ago and it was fun and ping wasn't too much an issue (sometimes you'd be transported to bad areas of a map). Futuristic and modern weapons (one rifle looks like a hick's rifle) and lots of trade skills and noncombat oriented skills. It was fun but I think it's pretty dead now because I don't hear anything about it.
Those are my two cents on semi-auth mode changes (as the name of this thread implies)
The Matrix Online, World of Warcraft, and Middle Earth Online
I'm in the beta for one of those, and its a really poor game. I have high hopes for middle earth online also.
Seems alot of you probably haven't played many MMORPGs, with them being the best games and the games with the highest longetivity of any game on the goddamned market.
I've been actively roleplaying on Ultima Online for 3-4 years, roleplaying as in, playing the role of a samurai in a large guild of around 50 members, in a community of size 200+ different people.
Neocron sucks,
planetside is repetative (Wow lets capture more identical bases, which will infact get is nowhere)
Id say the king of MMORPGs has to be City of Heroes, and with future expansion will continue to be the best game on the market.
I seem to have read alot of lack of roleplay, you have to look for it to find it, it isnt going to hit you in the face.
Morrowind is such a ****e boring game, the combat is boring, its generally a bore fest.
Alot of you have spectical ideas which would make out for a **** game, perhaps you need to spend enough time on one of these games to truely appreciate them.
Damned MMORPG noobs :rolleyes:
I disagree, I love Morrowind, and I'm gonna get and love Oblivion too. City of Heros does look pretty badass though... but if it lags like Star Wars Galaxies, which I think would own if lag-free, then I don't see a reason to get it. I like free MMORPGs... like Runescape, www.runescape.com Actually, most free MMORPGs suck, but, espeically being free and all, Runescape is actually pretty good.
City of Heros does look pretty badass though... but if it lags like Star Wars Galaxies, which I think would own if lag-free,
LoL, dont be turned off from good well maintained mmos, just because swg is **** all around doesnt mean other mmos make the same mistakes. I've played city of heroes for quite a while and its a virtually lagless experience, and this is on american servers. I can't imagine how smooth it'll be on european ones if/when it finally gets released over here.
Well... I'm American :cool:
Chairwalker
06-10-2004, 06:31
I love the entire Elder scrolls series to death. It may have a crappy combat system like MMORPGs, but atleast in the ES games i kill stuff while immersed in an interesting backstory.
MMORPGs are just boring. If you like boring games good for you but when i grind levels and hog expirience i require a good story to go with it (and some actual roleplaying, ofcourse)
And yes i have tried/played them otherwise i wouldnt know they were boring now would i :P
I happen to have a couple of MMORPG-lovin' friends, whom i regularly rip on for liking said games.
Not because i hate them for it, but because its fun to rip on people :rolleyes:
So in conclusion: MMORPGS are for women.
Nothing but a 3d chatroom with a monthly fee ;)
and don't forget the constant messages that make you feel good about yourself for mastering a skill you know nothing about in real life ;) plus you get to dress up your character while you chat. Who wouldn't pay money for all that. :rolleyes:
MMORPG combat systems are boring eh? It isnt much different to single player RPGs in the sense you just say what to do and it does it for you, it just happens in alternative ways.
"but atleast in the ES games i kill stuff while immersed in an interesting backstory"
Immersed in a huge world full of mindless NPCs, wheres the fun in that?
If you want to get immersed, find a roleplaying community or something, so you can actually appreciate the game more.
What I think though is that people just judge on SWG, a complete balls up of an MMORPG, which I got bored of in a week.
In conclusion, WoW looks to be good, hopefully Ill get into beta soon, but CoH is the king.
Dingo Dave
06-10-2004, 13:38
I warn you, do not start playing runescape - you begin to love the rubbish graphics and waste years of your life just playing with no real reason.
The problem i see with all MMORPGS i've played is that combat is either clic and let you guy smack, or cast the same spell over and over, since you either have to spend points in it, meaning having one ultra high level spell is better than spreading, or there just IS a best spell, so not much for variety.
I did roleplay for a while in UO, not in a official server though, since i'm not even willing to pay, but it was kind of hard to roleplay while somebody was telling you he was a "noob" and wanted help, another one saying you speak like a retard and so on...
Combat wasn't very varied in there either. The only games where i've used more than a single very damagin spell are lineage 2 and ragnarok online, in the first because you have a per spell cast delay, the second because of the enemies having different resistances which you can exploit (but you still are better off upping one to the max since you choose what you kill).
I'd say MMOs have the potential to be the best games, but only if companies were willing to sacrifice profit for the sake of quality (ie: if you have a MMORPG, make it a RPG, and enforce RPing, people who just want to kill stuff all day long could go to a MMODiablo and so on, that'd either need many different games for the same ammount of customers or the will to leave some of them to other companies).
They are businesses too you know, they have incredibly large and numerous servers to uphold as well as make a profit.
They are businesses too you know, they have incredibly large and numerous servers to uphold as well as make a profit.That's why i put a "were" in there, the only chance of that would be somebody making one for free, and that's not an easy thing to do...
Vitjor Melkalis
06-10-2004, 20:27
for me, the best mmorpg will be Guildwars. it will beat the crap out of World Warcraft. for those who dont know the game yet, Guildwars is a complete revolution in the world of the traditional mmorpgs with NO MONTHLY FEES!
check out www.guildwars.com
(sry for pub but i couldnt resist :p)
I played guildwars quite extensively when they had the demo going at e3. Its bad, and I mean very bad.
I think the next big game will likely be everquest 2. I'm not a huge fan of sony, and I was especially against them as game makers after the swg debacle.. but I know a couple of people on the eq2 beta, and from what they're telling me it may well be what people have been waiting for.
So it has nothing to do with EQ1 besides the name then?
Theme, characters, world etc obviously, but not what matters, that being the gameplay and mechanics of the game.
I'm not an everquest fan, for the record. I got bored of it within the first couple of hours.
so basicly the same what happened with JK1 - JK2
same name , other engine/gameplay
Only JK1 was fun (even if the saber system was crap).
I warn you, do not start playing runescape - you begin to love the rubbish graphics and waste years of your life just playing with no real reason.
Lol, I have no regrets, I still play for a week or two every year or two. It's fun until it does get old, though. and Walker... I can't agree with you on this. You had somethin goin in the fighting genre discussion... but MMORPGs differ from SP RPGs a lot, including combat. Play an MMORPG, and then go through Final Fantasy VII (PS1, PC) and compare and contrast and you'll know what I mean. I also think Morrowind was awesome. If you think it's just killing things in a world of mindless NPCs... all I can say is, I'm sorry. If you knew what you were really missing, you'd be sorry too. It's your loss, not mine however, so I'm not going to push this.
I still own Morrowind, and I know alot of people who just found it diobolically boring also, I think its either a love hate game to be honest.
Im never going to say Final Fantasy games are bad heh (with exception to the MMORPG version)
I got into EQ2 beta, and I have to say it seems as though you need an insanely good computer to get the world detail, I had to go on a boat with a black surface so I wouldnt get slowdown, and this was on my more powerful comp.
It just seems to require way too much for it to be that successful.
Dont blame the game, its your cheapo pc's fault peasant boy!
I also own morrowind, and find it as inane and dull as watching paint dry. I have attempted to play it numerous times.. but each time I get bored after I have finished looting the first two towns.
dee|mies
08-10-2004, 12:03
i had my first mods installed before i even started morrowind.
if you find morrowind lacking in some area, you're bound to find a mod that suits your needs. my first mod was the Jedi Academy mod a long time ago ^^
so i was a darth maul kinda guy with a lightsaber right from the start..
I have two Morrowinds (bought one, then the radeon 9800 came with a "present"), and didn't even see a second village.
wow... I guess you just aren't into deep RPGs :confused:
It isnt deep when half the NPCs are bloodi awful to interact with.
Really i don't know whether it was deep or not, i just had more stuff to play and it felt pretty awkward... you just get thrown there and left to your own... and it ran pretty slow for me at the time too. Maybe i'll try it again someday and like it (or not :P).
There are tons of NPCs, you can't get a whole lot by randomly talking to them, but it is deep. Ask the people on the TES forums, they'll give you about 6 pages of explanation :confused:
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